From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:27:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86ldxbofgw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8659"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 16:28:34 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tMqXp-000252-Hx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:28:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMqXF-0005tS-Vu; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 10:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMqX7-0005su-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 10:27:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMqX5-0006jZ-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 10:27:49 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 8750 invoked by uid 3782); 15 Dec 2024 16:27:32 +0100 Original-Received: from muc.de (pd953a38d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.163.141]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:27:32 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 12133 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Dec 2024 15:27:31 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326529 Archived-At: Hello, Richard. On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 23:35:28 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Please forgive my delay in getting back to this. No problem! > > The immediate problem - the use of CC Mode's symbols to mean other > > things - has no available compromise. > I'm surprised by that. I proposed more than one idea, and there was > some discussion. But I didn't see where it ended up. Did that > discussion peter out without arriving anywhere? Was any alternative > interface seriously considered? What has been implemented, "remapping", is a sort of extreme version of advice: it supersedes a symbol's function by some other function. What's more, it is the core Emacs functions which do this, not some wierd user setting. CC Mode's symbol `c-mode' now sometimes means C Mode, sometimes c-ts-mode. I don't think this is a good technical solution for whatever problem it was intended to solve. I was not involved in the discussion which decided to implement this, assuming there was such a discussion. I have been unable to find it in the archives, and nobody has given me a reference to it, despite it being relevant to this thread. The lack of available compromise is largely due to needing/wanting to get the upcoming release released on time, without making any significant changes to the code which might make an extra pretest necessary. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).