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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296579 Archived-At: --nldy7d93HiMqWfD1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 08:57:13AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Rob Browning > > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > > akrl@sdf.org > > Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 15:42:06 -0500 [...] > > And if it's a multi-user machine, with a lot of emacs users, at the > > moment I don't see any reason to want to compile the same file 50 times > > for 50 users (or even more than just once), incurring the attendant > > power and storage costs. >=20 > I don't think you should try to second-guess the user who installs a > package. They could just want to study the sources, for example. That's what apt-get source and friends are. The user can download, build, modify, etc. the sources corresponding to packages. Those are purely user operations, no admin powers needed. But installing a binary pacage on a system does modify the system for all users, so admin powers do make sense there. Nobody is being second-guessed, just the roles separated (again, on a single user system, this might feel artificial). Cheers --=20 t --nldy7d93HiMqWfD1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYzkrQQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RgG5AJwIkGRzig0vJg9Ey4FeefW+xiKhuwCeNCSoslTntG+8SRPQZ5qNWyz+qyA= =gEIR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nldy7d93HiMqWfD1--