Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Angelo Graziosi]

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> I've just pushed the branch scratch/icons

I have build that branch on Windows (10). The result is that Emacs toolbar has the icons shown in the attached emacs-new-icons.png.


For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current in master, result.

In my opinion, the old is better...

Ciao,
  Angelo.

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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
> For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current in master, result.
> 
> In my opinion, the old is better...

Thanks.

I think the new one is better. Though perhaps not in all desktop 
environments.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:05:14 +0300
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> 
> On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
> > For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current in master, result.
> > 
> > In my opinion, the old is better...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I think the new one is better.

But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
is going to be loved.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Visuwesh]

[புதன் ஆகஸ்ட் 24, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>
>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:05:14 +0300
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> 
>> On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
>> > For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current
>> > in master, result.
>> > 
>> > In my opinion, the old is better...
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> I think the new one is better.
>
> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> is going to be loved.

I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> is going to be loved.

Yeah, that's my only fundamental problem with the icons on the branch
themselves.

I hope the old icons have been kept and can easily be switched back to.
Or maybe the new icons should be made part of a different custom theme,
instead of the default.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 24/08/2022 15:22 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:05:14 +0300
> > From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> > 
> > On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
> > > For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current in master, result.
> > > 
> > > In my opinion, the old is better...
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > I think the new one is better.
> 
> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> is going to be loved.

This is what I meant...

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 24.08.2022 16:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:05:14 +0300
>> From: Dmitry Gutov<dgutov@yandex.ru>
>>
>> On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
>>> For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current in master, result.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the old is better...
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I think the new one is better.
> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> is going to be loved.

The exact (two) colors are themable with faces, I suppose, but yes, we 
do lose a little "character' that way.

OTOH, black-and-white has much higher odds of being compatible with an 
arbitrary color themes/desktops/toolkits, so it should be a good choice 
just by being neutral. Unlike the previous icon set which only really 
fit the default GNOME 2 palette.

And if we really wanted more character, we should order our own icon 
set. Perhaps ask some volunteer designer, to make sure they fit the 
default color theme, or to create a new color theme as well. It's a big 
project, so wouldn't exactly rely on this happening in time for Emacs 29.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 24/08/2022 15:36 Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> > is going to be loved.
> 
> Yeah, that's my only fundamental problem with the icons on the branch
> themselves.
> 
> I hope the old icons have been kept and can easily be switched back to.
> Or maybe the new icons should be made part of a different custom theme,
> instead of the default.

The new icons are not yet included in master and one is already thinking of using the old ones... (me too!)

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> OTOH, black-and-white has much higher odds of being compatible with an
> arbitrary color themes/desktops/toolkits, so it should be a good
> choice just by being neutral. Unlike the previous icon set which only
> really fit the default GNOME 2 palette.

Actually that's not quite true.  The previous icon set shows up with
decent contrast on top of any background, since all the icons are a
solid block of color.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>
> Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,  angelo.g0@libero.it,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:56:16 +0530
> 
> [புதன் ஆகஸ்ட் 24, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:05:14 +0300
> >> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> >> 
> >> On 24.08.2022 15:43, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
> >> > For completeness I attached the old, emacs-old-icons.png, current
> >> > in master, result.
> >> > 
> >> > In my opinion, the old is better...
> >> 
> >> Thanks.
> >> 
> >> I think the new one is better.
> >
> > But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> > is going to be loved.
> 
> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).

Some progress...  What next? back to 640KB memory?

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 24.08.2022 16:58, Po Lu wrote:
> Dmitry Gutov<dgutov@yandex.ru>  writes:
> 
>> OTOH, black-and-white has much higher odds of being compatible with an
>> arbitrary color themes/desktops/toolkits, so it should be a good
>> choice just by being neutral. Unlike the previous icon set which only
>> really fit the default GNOME 2 palette.
> Actually that's not quite true.  The previous icon set shows up with
> decent contrast on top of any background, since all the icons are a
> solid block of color.

"decent contrast" is a fairly low bar.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Visuwesh]

[புதன் ஆகஸ்ட் 24, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> > But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
>> > is going to be loved.
>> 
>> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
>> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
>> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).
>
> Some progress...  What next? back to 640KB memory?

Well retro computing is always hot...

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Stefan Monnier]

>> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
>> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
>> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).
>
> Some progress...  What next? back to 640KB memory?

No, the end result may look like what we had back then, but the resource
consumption never goes back.


        Stefan

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>,  dgutov@yandex.ru,  angelo.g0@libero.it,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:23:42 -0400
> 
> >> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
> >> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
> >> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).
> >
> > Some progress...  What next? back to 640KB memory?
> 
> No, the end result may look like what we had back then, but the resource
> consumption never goes back.

There are always overlays (in program memory, I mean, not display
overlays we use in Emacs).  Lots of fun!

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Stefan Kangas]

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> I hope the old icons have been kept and can easily be switched back to.

We can make sure to make this as easy as possible, yes.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Stefan Kangas]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> is going to be loved.

There is still color: we just use a single one (black).  All in all,
black is not necessarily a bad choice: the text I'm reading now is
black, as is the text in any paperback book.

But we do go from one distinct style to another.  This is true.  It is
inevitable that some people will love a change like this, while others
will hate it.  Others will probably be indifferent.

I think we could think about this from the point of view of what most
users will prefer.  In doing that, we would probably do well to note
current trends in UIX, which definitely have been moving more and more
towards the minimalistic.  Clear icons of a single (or two) colors seem
to be the norm.

I tend to think that this is a valid choice, that, if nothing else,
helps simplify and unclutter the user interface.  This allows users to
focus more on the task at hand rather than unimportant and secondary
details (such as decorations).  The user interface becomes secondary to
the daily work.

I note that these icons have been created by professional designers, as
have the guidelines on how to use them.[1]  This includes the one-color
look.

These icons are immensely popular and used "everywhere" -- which as
Dmitry notes means that we do lose a bit of independent "character".
On the other hand, I think the current icons also don't have much
character, as they are just the default icons coming from GTK/Gnome, if
I understand things correctly.  They look quite generic, and, dare I say
it, dated.

There could be other good icon sets, of course, and we could evaluate
them side-by-side with the material icons.  So far, I didn't find any
that also both have enough coverage, and a free license, but there might
be some that I've missed.

So, in summary, I think the icon set I suggest is both a good and safe
choice, that helps clean up the user interface and give it a more
contemporary look.  I hope that it will be accepted as the default.

Footnotes:
[1] For more on this, please see:
      https://material.io/design/iconography/system-icons.html#color
      https://developers.google.com/fonts/docs/material_icons#coloring

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> "decent contrast" is a fairly low bar.

It's an icon, it's supposed to provide visual contrast so that you can
identify what it represents.

The existing icons do that much better than monocolor ones.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> writes:

> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).

A horrible habit, rendering the icons in modern Android programs almost
useless.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 25.08.2022 04:10, Po Lu wrote:
> Dmitry Gutov<dgutov@yandex.ru>  writes:
> 
>> "decent contrast" is a fairly low bar.
> It's an icon, it's supposed to provide visual contrast so that you can
> identify what it represents.
> 
> The existing icons do that much better than monocolor ones.

Perhaps you meant "more visual detail", then?

Because it's hard to beat black-on-white on contrast.

I suppose I can also agree that these are a little simplistic. But they 
keep in one style, and won't give a random new user impression than 
Emacs hasn't been updated since the 2000s.

Might a different icon set work even better? Sure. Alternative proposals 
are probably welcome too, but see Stefan's full post for caveats.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> I think we could think about this from the point of view of what most
> users will prefer.  In doing that, we would probably do well to note
> current trends in UIX, which definitely have been moving more and more
> towards the minimalistic.  Clear icons of a single (or two) colors seem
> to be the norm.

Let's keep minimizing the user interface until it becomes useless!

I propose that the keyboard be replaced by a streamlined, unobtrusive
interface, where the user can simply pair a mobile phone with Emacs via
Bluetooth and drag-and-drop letters from the phone into each window.

> I tend to think that this is a valid choice, that, if nothing else,
> helps simplify and unclutter the user interface.  This allows users to
> focus more on the task at hand rather than unimportant and secondary
> details (such as decorations).  The user interface becomes secondary to
> the daily work.

I don't understand how a 25x25 icon will serve to "clutter" the user
interface.  Or how switching to mono-color icons will make it less
obtrusive.

If that's the goal, why not turn off widgets entirely? And modelines at
the same time?

> I note that these icons have been created by professional designers, as
> have the guidelines on how to use them.[1]  This includes the one-color
> look.

What is more and more obvious is that professional designers, serving
commercial interests, are only attentive towards creating the "next hot
trend".  So they seriously deem icons with all contrast drained from
them as an improvement.  I do not.

> There could be other good icon sets, of course, and we could evaluate
> them side-by-side with the material icons.  So far, I didn't find any
> that also both have enough coverage, and a free license, but there might
> be some that I've missed.

So what about the current Adwaita icon theme? The color icons, not the
symbolic ones?

They are already used by default on the GTK builds.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Visuwesh]

[வியாழன் ஆகஸ்ட் 25, 2022] Po Lu wrote:

> Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I think the current trend is in the opposite direction?  Everywhere I
>> go, it is monochrome icons, or the same colour scheme for all the icons
>> making them indistinguishable (looking at you Google).
>
> A horrible habit, rendering the icons in modern Android programs almost
> useless.

Tell me about it, I switched away from an old Android 6 device to an
Android 12 one [1] and the new Google icons were so awful to use.  I was
not able to tell which app was Maps from a glance and I suffered the
same pain a lot of people suffered.


1. Yes, I shouldn't have switched away but that device's battery life is
   painfully low and I wouldn't hope to find an actually good
   replacement battery for it...

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> Perhaps you meant "more visual detail", then?

I guess that would be a better explanation, yeah.  I was thinking about
the contrast between different icons, not against the background.

> Might a different icon set work even better? Sure. Alternative
> proposals are probably welcome too, but see Stefan's full post for
> caveats.

I think the Adwaita one would work too.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
>   angelo.g0@libero.it,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:23:12 +0800
> 
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I think we could think about this from the point of view of what most
> > users will prefer.  In doing that, we would probably do well to note
> > current trends in UIX, which definitely have been moving more and more
> > towards the minimalistic.  Clear icons of a single (or two) colors seem
> > to be the norm.
> 
> Let's keep minimizing the user interface until it becomes useless!

Let's not enlarge the noise level here by arguing too much about
defaults.  As long as the defaults can be changed if the user doesn't
like them, the problem is not a grave one.

I don't like the view of these icons, but as long as I can customize
Emacs to use the color ones, I don't mind adding these to Emacs, for
those who like them.  And this comes from an Emacs user who never
disables the tool bar, so the icons are always pretty much into my
face.

So let's stop arguing about this.  The feature must allow easy
customization of the tool-bar icons (like with a flip of a single
variable); other than that, it gets my vote for adding it to Emacs.

Whether to make it the default, is a separate question, which we could
discuss later.  For now, please make it an opt-in feature.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Whether to make it the default, is a separate question, which we could
> discuss later.  For now, please make it an opt-in feature.

As long as it's opt-in, I'm happy too.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> I think the new one is better.

Me too.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Visuwesh]

[புதன் ஆகஸ்ட் 24, 2022] Stefan Kangas wrote:

> There is still color: we just use a single one (black).  All in all,
> black is not necessarily a bad choice: the text I'm reading now is
> black, as is the text in any paperback book.
>
> But we do go from one distinct style to another.  This is true.  It is
> inevitable that some people will love a change like this, while others
> will hate it.  Others will probably be indifferent.
>
> [...]
>
> I note that these icons have been created by professional designers, as
> have the guidelines on how to use them.[1]  This includes the one-color
> look.
>
> [...]
>
> So, in summary, I think the icon set I suggest is both a good and safe
> choice, that helps clean up the user interface and give it a more
> contemporary look.  I hope that it will be accepted as the default.

Considering the complaints against the monochrome icons, what do you
think about using the Haiku icons which are MIT-licensed [1]?  Since
Haiku is a desktop OS, their icons must have had conscious design
decision into them and mainly they are not monochromatic but colourful;
I haven't checked but they _should_ hopefully cover all the icons Emacs
would need.  The icons are not in a common image format but there exists
a GitHub repository [2] that has the icons converted to SVG.

[1] https://www.haiku-inc.org/trademarks/haiku_icons/
[2] https://github.com/darealshinji/haiku-icons

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Rudolf Adamkovič]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
>> is going to be loved.

+Int.max for new *default* icons, but ones with color.

I know the latest "UX fashion" says no to color icons, but we should
care about usability first and foremost.  Fashion will change anyway.

> I note that these icons have been created by professional designers,

... who "professionally designed" a floppy disk with the hole near its
edge?  LOL.  I hope we do not want see that kind of *trash* in Emacs.

> There could be other good icon sets, of course, and we could evaluate
> them side-by-side with the material icons.

That would be fantastic, and *thank you* for working on this!

Rudy
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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Jean Louis]

* Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> [2022-08-24 15:50]:
> > I've just pushed the branch scratch/icons
> 
> I have build that branch on Windows (10). The result is that Emacs toolbar has the icons shown in the attached emacs-new-icons.png.

Could there be some color for love?

Black white is boring.

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references for usability - Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Jean Louis]

* Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> [2022-08-25 02:10]:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > But "the new one" looks black-and-white here?  I doubt losing colors
> > is going to be loved.
> 
> There is still color: we just use a single one (black).  All in all,
> black is not necessarily a bad choice: the text I'm reading now is
> black, as is the text in any paperback book.
> 
> But we do go from one distinct style to another.  This is true.  It is
> inevitable that some people will love a change like this, while others
> will hate it.  Others will probably be indifferent.

Usability 101: Introduction to Usability
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-to-usability/

Usability Testing 101
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-testing-101/

How Many Test Users in a Usability Study?
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/how-many-test-users/


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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Jean Louis]

* Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> [2022-08-25 15:57]:
> [1] https://www.haiku-inc.org/trademarks/haiku_icons/
> [2] https://github.com/darealshinji/haiku-icons

Those are nice.

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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Those are nice.

Unfortunately, they come in a special format not yet supported by Emacs.
I guess support for HVIF could be added, but that would be hard outside
of Haiku itself, since there is no ready made library for rasterizing
HVIF images.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 08.09.2022 11:18, Po Lu wrote:
> Jean Louis<bugs@gnu.support>  writes:
> 
>> Those are nice.
> Unfortunately, they come in a special format not yet supported by Emacs.
> I guess support for HVIF could be added, but that would be hard outside
> of Haiku itself, since there is no ready made library for rasterizing
> HVIF images.

There is an SVG directory in there -- somebody made an export.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Jean Louis]

* Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> [2022-09-08 11:19]:
> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> 
> > Those are nice.
> 
> Unfortunately, they come in a special format not yet supported by Emacs.
> I guess support for HVIF could be added, but that would be hard outside
> of Haiku itself, since there is no ready made library for rasterizing
> HVIF images.

I have downloaded them and I am using them as SVG, that HVIF format is
there, but there is SVG and PNG directory as well.

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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Po Lu]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> I have downloaded them and I am using them as SVG, that HVIF format is
> there, but there is SVG and PNG directory as well.

Nice.  That's good.

Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Jean Louis]

* Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> [2022-08-26 00:26]:
> > I note that these icons have been created by professional designers,
> 
> ... who "professionally designed" a floppy disk with the hole near its
> edge?  LOL.  I hope we do not want see that kind of *trash* in Emacs.

Do you mean the file: Device_Floppy.svg ?

See here: https://miro.medium.com/max/7776/0*bhYsLi0i7kj3Odx-

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Re: Adding icon sets to Emacs -- and next steps for icons.el

[Rudolf Adamkovič]

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Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Do you mean the file: Device_Floppy.svg ?

No, I meant this:


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