From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Display of undisplayable characters: \U01F3A8 instead of diamond Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 14:25:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83tu5wy7jb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37431"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 28 16:26:46 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oSJFO-0009b7-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 16:26:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSJFN-0008E8-7V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48166) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSJEa-0007Nd-Q3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:25:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:19239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oSJEY-0003XJ-MH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:25:56 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 26361 invoked by uid 3782); 28 Aug 2022 16:25:52 +0200 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p2e5d5a4e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.93.90.78]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2022 16:25:51 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 12597 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Aug 2022 14:25:51 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83tu5wy7jb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294239 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 13:41:28 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:35:22 +0000 > > Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > I've tried fbterm out, thanks! It comes up in a font which is too small > > for me, but that is easily remedied in the configuration file ~/.fbterm. > > Indeed it doesn't steal C- or C-M-k, but it does take some other > > bindings like C-/C-. I don't think there's an option in > > fbterm to leave all key sequences alone. > No text terminal can support all the key combinations a GUI display > can. I think it can, though that involves enhancing the keyboard layout. loadkeys is my friend, here. There is no key combination I've wanted that I've been unable to create with loadkeys. X-Windows is a different matter, just as a matter of interest. To get C-M-S- etc. working, I had to amend the source of some keyboard thing (I can't remember exactly what, any more). > Many terminals don't support C- either (xterm is one such > prominent example). My keyboard certainly supports C-, etc. > So this shouldn't prevent you from using this console. fbterm appears to respect the loadkeys setting mostly, anyway. > > At the moment, I'm not sure whether I will end up using it or not. > > Probably not. > Why not? The Linux console is abysmally inadequate for Emacs, from > where I stand. I probably use a more boring selection of languages to write in than you do, just a couple of West European ones, so the Linux console's limitations will affect me a lot less. Partly, it is a good thing for there to be a Linux console user on the development team, since this helps maintain Emacs's usability on it. People do use Emacs in this environment. Also, I haven't found out how to modify the fonts in use on fbterm, and I don't like the default one supplied. Maybe I'll find that out. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).