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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293954 Archived-At: --RT6dSzJtThPS9UKi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 12:20:26PM +0800, Po Lu wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: >=20 > > There are various ways users can make such modifications. > > We can add those to the list of possible options to compare. > > This is for GTK 3, right? > > > > One pwrtinent question is, how bad would the problems of GTK 3 be if > > we imagine a few of them have been fided this way? Would they be bad > > enough that we would want to reject GTK 3 over them anyway? >=20 > Yeah. It would be a lot of work to do that. >=20 > > There is a modified version of GNOME 2, which I suppose includes GTK > > 2. It is called Mat=C3=A9. (The accent on "=C3=AB is incorrect Spanis= h, but it > > is correct English.) It is no longer maintained, but it is probably a > > better starting point than GNOME 2 itself. I use it, because it is > > included in Trisquel. I presume it contains a version of GTK 2. Hm. I only know of MATE (spelled in capitals) [1] [2], named after yerba mate (which doesn't have an accent). This one tries to be like Gnome 2 (I know a few users who were glad to move to MATE after Gnome 3 came out). Mate switched to Gtk3 a while ago, though (the current Debian dependency of Marco, MATE's window manager, for example, is on Gtk3). > Some parts of Mate have apparently been ported to GTK 3. I'm not sure. Yes, see above. > > If newer versions of GTK are lousy, and the other options also have > > bad problems, maybe this is the best. >=20 > I guess we could take up maintenance of GTK 2. But it would still be a > lot of work. Indeed. Possibly comparable to making Lucid "nice". Don't know. Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) [2] https://git.mate-desktop.org/ --=20 t --RT6dSzJtThPS9UKi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYwWqaQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RpDoAJ48wt9b9O7cc5n9t8kn8YPx+a7U1wCePl4ZZIHYsQ3sPgrOqbzOVKs1N2Y= =u5G2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RT6dSzJtThPS9UKi--