From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:48:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87k070g6l0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8635do4u9b.fsf@gmail.com> <877d30g1az.fsf@yahoo.com> <86y1vg3a31.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1vgeho7.fsf@yahoo.com> <86h723esba.fsf@gmail.com> <83tu6389pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83lerf87k8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="I8XzK+MebfvygcBg" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 14:52:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTOE-0005Ly-4j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:52:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTOA-0005aA-Jt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:52:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTKZ-0002rT-9Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:48:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:58578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTKX-00081u-5g; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:48:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5miy2g7ib1+dla2jvT6foBTjo66NceiIz36KxCYhjiY=; b=c9l5AxTkKEwa/dcGEDwo9sLf3W pYRYHt4QBfsp9P16Dd5yExepis04IO07VmY9tZs+xIlWAwG3Y5xc2uOPqPuQZFoUGcmnLlIeO1T0S MHnYQgTMWTbfN0/uRQK/MGpRVkjazY9kxl37/ZzuvXA49EfWjOcQkHy3qWjz+Mdc0lO+PE/Cy4u/l JFPePdcAltn/D6WlZb23vJBL09ucG0sUAL+Tbdl82Y6h2o9KioaQp78U0u3d8cWEmerhQOjmc6AC+ hbyT33yRO+WJTSK7NlUxCbfQxBH/fasvQ2p3pL/tbMIfm+98QyDEFpCw3rNcB6btbwXCh5RVmi6u9 J2lZ2REg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTKU-0005y4-73; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:48:26 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83lerf87k8.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293878 Archived-At: --I8XzK+MebfvygcBg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 03:31:51PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:02:21 +0200 > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > >=20 > > > I indeed question the optimistic belief that system-wide conventions > > > are always better. They might be in some basic stuff, like the outer > > > decorations of the GUI windows, but other than that... > >=20 > > Yes, but the "outer decorations" now belong to the application >=20 > No, they don't. Maybe you just aren't aware that those decorations > are all but invisible on latest Windows. But they still exist, if you > know where they are... Ah, so those I see belong to the application, and those I don't are the "real" ones. Sounds plausible ;-) [...] > No, see above. Each window still has a border, albeit a thin and > basically invisible one. That would mean I "just" have to learn clicking onto the one-pixel wide "real" window frame. I'll try :) (But actually, I'm looking forward to when this box runs FVWM ;) Cheers & thanks for the insights. --=20 t --I8XzK+MebfvygcBg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYwTMkwAKCRAFyCz1etHa RgWoAJ9idMAJJyTjngOmF7kZYNuxNNMbxgCfUwNYInBc8ib0hIwT6eaf93jJHt8= =YSuu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --I8XzK+MebfvygcBg--