From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [SOLVED (magic?)] (was: [app password does not work (at the moment)]) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 06:35:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87mtfs2ev9.fsf@gmail.com> <874k20vuy4.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87ilqf2j92.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6bpsxxk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <874k1x7qkw.fsf@gmail.com> <875yljjdvg.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es> <87pmjrgjpy.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es> <87r141wrip.fsf@logand.com> <87r141twgw.fsf@logand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4jeYYu2vTOeK5kSO" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10332"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tomas Hlavaty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 07 06:38:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nyQz1-0002Rx-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 06:38:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyQz0-0000cW-7A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyQwi-0008Ae-Rf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:57062) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyQwg-0007yl-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:36:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1WvcDbrMMJsVYk0sKNEU88ES76NclsLU39oodMzhahE=; b=cQSZl69SbNjId5IOmUrfhkJehc aRUjrFuAXLTzqRZ6HiJJO8D5FOzfACS/7Qvx/7Plwd9KgopOsOHi3nUumUadsXOe7BqP1f80+UxVI VB27fLP1q7MFcXt4A0Q+f7MUB1Aq9IUjsDhOB23Rmyfg1pBsxMKuWb3qMh1r7NlIW8/2K/gT0bho5 3JxkaDW9/slB3F0uG2bWuke0rZ2CjHhrD6U7UI9QL7TiR0UJNpuMTRtRef/INA7Zdg2Dgk5uQdR2V Fmo8+WST94gP27LCGnSQoJfgM1ZU0zbClCi2NoyM7GEf5PSrZc15E+EUsNHX30LMdjb++oNFjDWqL IuLMM9Dw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nyQwd-0006FA-9M; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 06:35:55 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87r141twgw.fsf@logand.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290822 Archived-At: --4jeYYu2vTOeK5kSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:03PM +0200, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: > On Mon 06 Jun 2022 at 21:07, wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:55:42PM +0200, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: > >> On Thu 02 Jun 2022 at 17:37, Uwe Brauer wrote: > >> > I can now again access my private gmail account, > >>=20 > >> I thought you were forced to use google by your university but I see > >> that that is not the case. You have a choice. > >> https://www.stallman.org/google.html > > > > This choice would entail losing his job? >=20 > Why would he lose his job? Because his employer insists on handling job-related mails via gmail? See, i've seen several employers: most of them want to keep control of their work related mails in some way. The "tradidional" way of handling this is by setting up their own mail infrastructore (whatever that means, the spectrum covers some space, from "just" setting up an SMTP server to offering (voluntary or enforced) some horrible web mail service; some allow forwarding to user chosen infrastructure, some don't). The gist is that they want some accountability of important mails. Anyway, the next step is for those employers to fall for the cloud fallacy: outsource above mentioned infrastructure. Still, the condition stands. Either you take part of that infrastructure or you go look for another job [1]. Showing up at the office from time to time isn't optional either, for many jobs after all. Cheers [1] No, this doesn't justify forcing people to use gmail, and I know that I'd raise a stink if my employer wanted me to do that. But I'd *never* try to tell other people how much of a hero they are expected to be. --=20 t --4jeYYu2vTOeK5kSO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYp7VpAAKCRAFyCz1etHa Rou9AJ0X1iGqJEP077D3/psVIdRD4+IYPwCfemtMCAeP0KlOhjlHQIBsmngvo6U= =d7fy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4jeYYu2vTOeK5kSO--