From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 15:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87zgjx4qhs.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkwcgmr3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87levfzqj2.fsf@yale.edu> <871qx7scvi.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8ujqec5.fsf@logand.com> <87ee172fjz.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6bues6q.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RgKBjuP9561pjX4n" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10692"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 06 15:48:04 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nmyJQ-0002bx-42 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 15:48:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40152 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nmyJO-0003ao-Lr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nmyCM-0004Ub-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:59612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nmyCK-0004fL-4O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:40:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=j3tya47YeC+tMR8xzISkZaL9DfKv4ozU3ZQAMBxYLdc=; b=ZnzD38CkrwR7P9o8swLAnYj1Dk 2xWpnJOBk56ylAPdtFJFE2Xt4MSd23OGP1GelfrZxgr3qeH1aIIhqr+94bwlchKQFPp3jGdO69ZIU /Cz4OP1Ti5MenxsTdCljZ27kXKVSNRmN6mV3jmzafJvLhRBpZF973t/nTSTs1GAl5DH6kb9L6a8ES xCsU6TjmnV2EUsx6Ela3S+Q3axz05IZYRcRnFLU2aIyKbfOEM11PS6uY2QNKBZFmVwtMA40Ze3o7p NxHxffmIabPOYp2B2bLu0LthfqX/Dr7of8lLJdczyukHxSvkvbyBGzfIfJi2W8v7TSksfE4ya2uEe dOgNgKUw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nmyCH-00013C-8B; Fri, 06 May 2022 15:40:41 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87a6bues6q.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289324 Archived-At: --RgKBjuP9561pjX4n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 10:49:15PM +1000, Tim Cross wrote: >=20 > writes: [...] > > Is it for having some T&C where they basically say "we'll > > kick you out whenever we think we want to"? > > > > I'm hard-pressed to come up with a friendlier interpretation. > > >=20 > Problem is, your looking for a rational reason. The reality is T&C are > typically written by non-technical people (often lawyers) who don't > really understand (Or care to understand) the finer points and > implications. =2E..but who, working for Google, should have ready access to some who do. > They work in broad brushstrokes and plan to adjust/change > if there is enough stink. HOwever, in this case, the percentage of > voerall users impacted is unlikely to even register a a blip o thier > radar.=20 >=20 > Bootm line, we are being done in by bureaucracy and bad communication.=20 OK, you came up with a friendlier explanation. You seem to be a friendlier person than me :-) I still tend to not quite believe that. To me, this is an instance of "any sufficiently advanced form of malice is indistinguishable =66rom stupidity" [1]. IOW, plausible deniability. 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