From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: could matlab-mode be in ELPA or the GNU emacs tree (like auctex and org-mode)? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:49:52 +0300 Message-ID: References: <878rxiu323.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31028"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.0 (2022-02-12) Cc: Uwe Brauer , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 14 12:52:56 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nJZuY-0007rX-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:52:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36064 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJZuX-0004bX-2r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:52:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36470) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJZs2-0003A3-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJZs0-0003s8-4q; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:50:18 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.75.189.127]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000067F47.00000000620A41D3.00006C16; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 04:49:37 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , Uwe Brauer , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286247 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2021-11-22 05:30]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I know that matlab is a commercial product and its license is not > > compatible with the GPL, but the same could be said about MS Windows OS > > and MacOS and yet GNU Emacs support these OSs. > > The GNU Project has standard about what to do in situations like this. > Its conclusion in this case is that it is ok to include Matlab mode in > Emacs. Likewise, ok to make Emacs run on Windows or MacOS. > > See the GNU Coding Standards, node References, for the way we reason > about questions like this. I urge everyone here to read it. > > First, what are our goals? > We want to lead/help users of Matlab to try using Emacs. > We want NOT to lead/help users of Emacs to try using Matlab. > > In practice, I think Matlab mode will not do the latter, not much. > It will mainly do the former. > Why so? Your reasoning is individual and I don't agree to that reasoning. I cannot see how is that reasoning aligned to the references as quoted on: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#References "A GNU program should not recommend, promote, or grant legitimacy to the use of any non-free program." And by including `matlab-mode' would come especially that event of recommending, promoting and granting legitimacy of the ose of non-free Matlab. Thus I don't agree on the proposal to include matlab-mode into GNU ELPA neither NonGNU ELPA neither into Emacs if the matlab-mode is specifically made to run and interact with non-free software. Was that (packages that are made to solely interact to non-free software) not the main reason why MELPA is not included in Emacs as repository and why NonGNU ELPA came into existence? - I would not even call it "matlab" as if it appears in ELPA, it promotes non-free software; - if features of matlab-mode are analogous to lisp-mode, where person may insert same type of binary to run with it; such as for GNU Octave and features are not Matlab-proprietary software specific, then such package could be included IMHO. lisp-mode works with many Lisp binaries and I guess with proprietary once as well. - if features are specific to Matlab -- there is no way I would ever include it to ELPA, Emacs or NonGNU ELPA; as acting based upon free software principles and the same reference you quoted above. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/