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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286020 Archived-At: --6BHOBLCHxRPFbIhY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 01:29:45PM +0800, Po Lu wrote: > >FWIW, I don't think we are attempting to "wag the dog" here, in terms > >of influencing the X foundation [...] > FTR, I didn't make any change to which selection is used by default, and = Noah is the only person who complained about the change that I did make. >=20 > I was trying to discourage users from enabling `select-enable-primary', w= hich Lars disagreed with. It was turned off by default in Emacs 21, where = Emacs switched to the now-standard behaviour by default. One of those default discussions, sigh :) FWIW, I'm one of those having set `select-enable-primary' to t (after a short period of swearing and trying to understand what happened). I do understand the choice of the default. I'm happy and thankful that there is a cop-out. Psychologically it is extremely... challenging that something "stops working" under you, and you don't even know how that something is called. Perhaps that's part of the reason for the sometimes strong reactions elicited by some changes. I don't have a solution for that; IMHO Emacs is doing extremely well in that department compared to other applications. Thanks, folks. Cheers --=20 tom=C3=A1s --6BHOBLCHxRPFbIhY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYgCzmQAKCRAFyCz1etHa Rr6zAJ0diUfQorgMQ4iowK4cbIMxpxyLAwCeJKJ5sdOb7MGTZBEQqSN3+spf944= =GYZT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6BHOBLCHxRPFbIhY--