From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:15:56 +0300 Message-ID: References: <897ED591-43BC-4029-912A-917E5E9F6930@gmail.com> <87czlarhff.fsf@yahoo.com> <5D13C3C0-C4EB-4769-9685-25122DC9B8DC@gmail.com> <875yr2rfd1.fsf@yahoo.com> <369E183D-87EC-45AB-8352-9A780006561E@gmail.com> <87zgoeps3f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ee5j68z9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18662"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 10 05:19:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n6m9D-0004eg-1F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 05:19:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34692 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6m9B-0000iJ-Qv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2022 23:19:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6m8U-0008Qo-Pf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2022 23:18:22 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:42041) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6m8P-0002jC-KB; Sun, 09 Jan 2022 23:18:20 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.155.59]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000065DEE.0000000061DBB385.00005894; Sun, 09 Jan 2022 21:18:12 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ee5j68z9.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284520 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2022-01-07 15:12]: > > What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new > > users. New users will not customize it anyway. > > ??? Why wouldn't new users customize Emacs? Customization is > generally one of the first things I do in any new program I start > using. You are advanced computer user. New user will most probably not customize anything. At that point when user start customizing software, user converts from "completely new user" to "not any more so new user", at least. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/