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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284455 Archived-At: --1MpwqyuXoe3Ul6LD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 08, 2022 at 11:39:04AM +0100, xenodasein--- via Emacs developme= nt discussions. wrote: > writes: [...] > >> You are overlooking something important: our community is (compared to > >> others) pretty civilised [...] > I wouldn't call, opposing to setting a handful of variables every > couple of years to disable new developments and instead stagnating > your favorite libre editor into oblivion, civilized. >=20 > If it is that painful to make Customize use its own data file, what > hope would there be to make big improvements to it? I may very well be wrong (this is not a rhethoric device, but just age: I've been wrong more times than I can count!), but I perceive your position as extreme. The opposition is not there "to disable new developments". It's usually there because some people (it's not /always the same/ people!) don't like a change. Surely some discussion is in order to either convince those people or to redesign the change in a way that it hopefully makes people happy? Cheers --=20 t --1MpwqyuXoe3Ul6LD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCYdl4hwAKCRAFyCz1etHa RuyKAJ9zE+kK7KVigmmMdn/W7vNsU1n/YQCeOU39P4WyC7RYamBx6ritOgeWfS4= =zmsA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1MpwqyuXoe3Ul6LD--