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* Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> [2022-01-03 21:59]:
> xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> writes:
> 
> > Basically Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to
> > understand, and it does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it
> > especially does not play well with configuring things from init.el
> > file.
> 
> Custom is basically a finished system, and the whole point of it is to
> make things work so that users will not have to understand it.

Regarding Customize:

There are many ways how to reach to Customize. One way as explained in
the Emacs Manual is by examining variables. Other way may be M-x
customize. In general it helps users to understand better the
functioning of Emacs and customizations. It provides an easy browsable
way to more understanding, it is inevitable.

-- 
Jean

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