From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:02:42 +0300 Message-ID: References: <897ED591-43BC-4029-912A-917E5E9F6930@gmail.com> <87czlarhff.fsf@yahoo.com> <5D13C3C0-C4EB-4769-9685-25122DC9B8DC@gmail.com> <875yr2rfd1.fsf@yahoo.com> <369E183D-87EC-45AB-8352-9A780006561E@gmail.com> <87zgoeps3f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15521"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: Yuan Fu , Emacs developers To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 07 11:05:39 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n5m7u-0003k4-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 11:05:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39670 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5m7t-0003Km-49 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 05:05:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5m52-0000S1-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 05:02:41 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:57969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5m50-0005au-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 05:02:40 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.84.21.102]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000037FD5.0000000061D80FBC.00003259; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 03:02:35 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Po Lu , Yuan Fu , Emacs developers Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284398 Archived-At: * Po Lu [2022-01-03 22:09]: > And please don't say they "should" learn Emacs Lisp -- some people may > find that enjoyable but lack the time, and some others may simply not > want to at all. Asking people to learn Emacs Lisp to make future > customizations is simply unacceptable as part of a setup guide for _new_ > users. Nobody must or is forced. However, customizations were suggested for decades and people do learn Lisp by doing customizations. Contrary to your opinion, I found it welcome and acceptable. The Emacs manual talks about Emacs variables and customizations through variables. That is successful over time. Who does not want, may use customize options. Emacs is Emacs. It is not a Notepad. Vim is Vim, it is not a notepad. Customizations of Emacs and many other editors are part of the program. What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new users. New users will not customize it anyway. I do not see any problem. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/