From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "tomas@tuxteam.de" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: FW: [External] : Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 09:13:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87v8z12ud8.fsf@athena.silentflame.com> <874k6jci7j.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jEOVW3XKaKOdo8QH" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31232"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 05 09:17:34 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n51UE-0007ub-0f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2022 09:17:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54722 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n51UC-0005x3-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:17:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n51QU-0004Ou-3W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:13:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:36072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n51QR-0007dC-S1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:13:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=P64kT/yKAF0gKaREkRfIZIxHd1a8RTCrlIkZktnWxhU=; b=J5EOVEcRNZZ81aj1AftuW/DwYw 94HIk7GShQE2adlysRa83D7vf8uftKXE3+VSIr+SFXXEIyubsUFvgXiK+B9E+389oLinPEFjdEV1j HVZ5RSmBf0sLnxkYoWMIYLd7xHMwPBtS9wmof4OvW2zSHefm7XH2F8bfODOfsK5CXS/lNz0J29Klv ddKIVqxwCyEyj+t85b0SogsYzFAr7UNHiMqM1HJ/9oKHyXH5eZe44P1UKre2Stxdy4CD5OLAyHKxo OuUMepbO/GxUYPO5KfSJlBRByDfi7l9muA6mIojEXdX8EB4SIIZeIzsc8Aqsp3aiNlqaOhE2grIAw 1cupylnw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1n51QM-0006lt-Vb; Wed, 05 Jan 2022 09:13:35 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284221 Archived-At: --jEOVW3XKaKOdo8QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 07:43:55AM +0000, Drew Adams wrote: > > > @@>>>> Customize should not write to your init file ... > > > @@>>>> That's a bad Emacs design choice, IMO. > > > @@>>>> It especially should not be the default behavior. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> +1, FWIW. > > > > >> Hmm, then where should it write to? > > > > > IMO, something like > > > > > (setq custom-file (locate-user-emacs-file "custom-file.el")) > > > > > > > > Hmm. I recently deleted something like that which had been in my i= nit > > > > for years, because I looked it and couldn't come up with a reason w= hy > > > > the code should be in a separate file. It seemed like pointless > > > > complexity. Why do you think it's better that way? > > > > > > Go to @@. > >=20 > > Where's @@? (genuine question: I don't know > > what you want to convey with that expression :) >=20 > Sorry, I just meant the first 3 lines of the > mail. I then added this for the reason: Got it, it's up there. Thanks :) > > > Mixing hand coding and automatic coding in the same > > > file is error-prone. It's just asking for trouble. > > > And it's not needed. > >=20 > > And this is the point where your (respected, > > mind you) opinion enters the scene.=20 >=20 > Call it an opinion, if you like. I don't see it > as very controversial to think it's a bad idea > to have (all kinds of) users editing generated > code, and have a file that includes user code > along with code edited automatically. [...] Sorry, pressed for time right now, so short answer. I do respect your position, and there's a lot for it -- I just happen to be at a (so slightly) different place. 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