From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 07:47:26 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yd0L3qgiWf0kH3AW@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83czkza4h6.fsf@gnu.org>
* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2022-01-10 20:25]:
> > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:15:56 +0300
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > * Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2022-01-07 15:12]:
> > > > What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new
> > > > users. New users will not customize it anyway.
> > >
> > > ??? Why wouldn't new users customize Emacs? Customization is
> > > generally one of the first things I do in any new program I start
> > > using.
> >
> > You are advanced computer user.
>
> So is (almost) anyone who comes to Emacs. They are Emacs newbies, but
> they are not computer newbies.
>
> Please don't consider our newbies to be too dumb.
Of course not, never mentioned it.
Speaking from real life observation and new people facing Emacs:
I have here recruitment line, a process to recruit people. First step
for them was to learn the TUTORIAL and they went through tutorial and
used Emacs. About 4-5 people in Tanzania and about 5-7 people in
Uganda went through it. So in this process people are also not new to
computers and none of my staff members ever started, wanted or
attempted to improve Emacs by changing settings or optimizing it.
The small personal experience with about 10+ people does not and
cannot tell about general first time encounter with Emacs.
Customization experience is rather coming when user standards reading
the Emacs Manual.
Jean
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2022-01-02 2:07 Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 2:37 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 3:02 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 3:22 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 5:51 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 6:30 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 7:58 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 9:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 9:22 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 9:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:09 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:15 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 10:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-01-02 10:34 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 10:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 11:30 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 12:01 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <CADs++6jtFBah1hhsuN6T_-kFyjc_pNmmVKA+16vOWa8OctOZLw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-02 11:02 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 11:17 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 11:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:03 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
[not found] ` <MsPZqa9--3-2@tutanota.de-MsP_1xO----2>
2022-01-02 11:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 12:05 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 16:43 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 17:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 18:51 ` FW: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 19:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 21:29 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-02 22:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 6:42 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 7:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 8:19 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 9:27 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 9:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:10 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 10:21 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 10:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 11:25 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 11:32 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:13 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:20 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:32 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 12:44 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 12:55 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 13:24 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 15:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 21:19 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 22:38 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-04 22:51 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 5:28 ` tomas
2022-01-05 7:43 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 8:13 ` tomas
2022-01-07 10:34 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-03 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-03 16:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 1:50 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 2:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 4:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 4:30 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-04 6:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-04 15:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-04 21:25 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-05 0:58 ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 15:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-06 6:32 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-03 0:42 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 11:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 10:09 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-02 9:41 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 17:18 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 18:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-07 10:02 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07 10:50 ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-09 22:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-10 15:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-10 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-11 4:47 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2022-01-11 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-02 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 15:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 17:26 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-02 17:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <MsQrOAf--J-2@tutanota.de-MsQrQR2----2>
2022-01-02 17:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-02 18:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 21:14 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 0:45 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 0:59 ` Yuan Fu
2022-01-03 1:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-03 9:12 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-03 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-03 13:00 ` Po Lu
2022-01-03 19:30 ` Joost Kremers
2022-01-02 8:07 ` Po Lu
2022-01-02 15:23 ` nanjunjie
2022-01-03 8:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-04 16:09 ` Nan JunJie
2022-01-04 19:45 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-02 12:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-07 9:58 ` Jean Louis
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2022-01-02 15:46 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 17:26 Simon Pugnet
2022-01-02 18:49 ` Stefan Kangas
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