From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master c9cb59b 2/2: * etc/TODO: Entry about converting to defvar-keymap. Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:44:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83ilvwsdxg.fsf@gnu.org> <875yrwo3hg.fsf@dick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7928"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: dick Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 17:45:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mvj15-0001rD-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:45:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46640 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvj13-0007X8-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34624) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvj0V-0006qn-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:44:27 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:54179 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvj0S-0001kt-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:44:26 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 28641 invoked by uid 3782); 10 Dec 2021 16:44:10 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15e51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.94.81]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:44:09 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 5458 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Dec 2021 16:44:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875yrwo3hg.fsf@dick> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281606 Archived-At: Hello, Dick. On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:59:23 -0500, dick wrote: > EZ> I see only a lot of code churn and a risk of breaking things that > EZ> are perfectly fine as they are. > To most gatekeepers, spaghetti code is "perfectly fine" if no one > complains. And so long as the spaghetti is of their own making, let > newcomers to the code spin their tires trying to modify it. > Incomprehensibility is an excellent, natural defense. > Churn should never be a deterrent; cleanliness is next to godliness. > Any programmer with his salt can see that. Really, must you keep on doing this? It seems the only purpose of your post here was to aggravate Eli. Any policy direction can be countered by a trite meaningless phrase like "cleanliness is next to godliness"; it seems likely, had Eli expressed the opposite direction, you would have chastised him for encouraging the wasting of time, in an equally trite and unpleasant manner. Please stop posting like this. It doesn't help anybody. If you want to contribute positively to Emacs, in whatever manner, I'm sure you'd be welcome. But you know how the project works, what it's doing, and likely why; you're not going to be able to change these things. It you don't like them, why stick around? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).