From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: character sets as they =?utf-8?Q?relat?= =?utf-8?B?ZSB0byDigJxSYXfigJ0=?= string literals for elisp Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 10:57:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83tuhtyn46.fsf@gnu.org> <83o880zuxs.fsf@gnu.org> <838rz4ypkt.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0inxvjf.fsf@gnu.org> <83ily7xsjw.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee8uyb3w.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30982"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, db48x@db48x.net, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 09 12:58:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mZA3v-0007vc-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:58:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42858 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZA3t-0001He-Ly for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 06:58:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZA3E-0000ce-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 06:58:00 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:13992 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZA3B-0005C4-4f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 06:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 56529 invoked by uid 3782); 9 Oct 2021 10:57:54 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe153c5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.83.197]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:57:54 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 5767 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Oct 2021 10:57:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ee8uyb3w.fsf@gnu.org> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276605 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 09:18:43 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 20:01:15 +0000 > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net, db48x@db48x.net, > > stefankangas@gmail.com, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > And, of course, if you must have only ASCII characters in the Info > > > files themselves, you can always regenerate them from the sources, > > > without using the --enable-encoding switch. It's so simple that it's > > > hardly worth another round of futile "discussions" that never go > > > anywhere. > > That's not what I want. I want UTF-8 characters, so that people's names, > > etc., can be displayed correctly. I simply don't want the PUNCTUATION in > > texi files to get translated to Unicode characters not on my keyboard, > > and which can't be cleanly displayed on my Linux console. makeinfo and > > friends don't have options for this. > But Emacs already automatically translates those punctuation > characters at display time in your case, .... Not satisfactorally. All these characters have homoglyph face on them, which is ugly and I don't like. (It would be confusing, and thus worse, without this face.) --- (EM DASH) appears as an inverse question mark on my screen. So do several other punctuation marks, I think. > so what exactly is the problem you want to solve? I want to be able to search for @code{foo} by typing the six keys: C-s ` f o o ' , like I could with previous versions of Texinfo. I want this by having these characters in the buffer, not by some clumsy workaround in isearch (which I think was tried some time ago, but wasn't really satisfactory). I want to be able to _use_ info buffers without restriction. For example, if I wanted to copy `foo' to a doc string in a file.el, I should be able just to do that. At the moment, I'd have to copy just foo, then type in the quote marks by hand. Not a big thing, but annoying all the same. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).