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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:39:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YFreu+VgNwxs86aw@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22aaf0fadda0f9d9bc03@heytings.org>

* Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org> [2021-03-24 00:07]:
> 
> > 
> > C-o is bound where it is because when Emacs was written, someone -- most
> > probpobly RMS -- bound it there, so it isn't really a historical
> > accident but rather an active design decision. There is also a reason
> > why C-x C-o where it is.
> > 
> 
> I digged further in my archives.  In case some are interested:
> 
> As most of you know, the original Emacs was written in TECO.  C-o was a
> command of TECO's real-time editing feature (which was entered with C-r),
> which was imported into Emacs.  The purpose of C-o in TECO was to optimize
> redisplay: when point on in the middle of a non-empty line, C-o F O O
> required less redisplay than F O O RET.

As "Emacs" by name, it was maybe in TECO, but we are here in GNU
Emacs, not in TECO by its name.

Please see this timeline (no accuracy guarantee) from:
https://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html


1976    TECMAC and TMACS
        a pair of "TECO-macro realtime editors."
        by Guy Steele, Dave Moon, Richard Greenblatt,
        Charles Frankston, et al.
          |
          |
1976    EMACS
        by Richard Stallman, Guy Steele,       EINE (EINE Is Not EMACS)
        and Dave Moon.                         by Dan Weinreb.
        Merger of TECMAC and TMACS, plus       for MIT Lisp Machine.
        a dynamic loader and Meta-key cmds.    First Emacs written in Lisp.
        Ran on ITS and TWENEX (Tops-20)                |
        written in TECO and PDP 10 assembly.           |
                                                       |
                                                       |
1978    Multics Emacs                         ZWEI (ZWEI Was EINE Initially)
        by Bernie Greenberg.                  by Dan Weinreb and Mike McMahon.
        written in MacLisp;                            |
        also used Lisp as its                          |
        extension language.                            |
1980                                         ZMACS (direct descendant of ZWEI)
                                             on Symbolics LM-2, LMI LispM,
                                             and later, TI Explorer (1983-1989)
1981               Gosling Emacs                       :
                   by James Gosling                    :
                   written in C; with "Mocklisp"
                   as its extension language.
                       /      |
1983                  /       |
                     /   Unipress Emacs (6-may-83)
                    /    $395 commercial product.
1984               /                                   Hemlock
                  /                                    by Bill Chiles,
                 /                                     Rob MacLachlan, et al.
1985  GNU Emacs 13.0? (20-mar-85)                      written in Spice Lisp
      by Richard Stallman.                             (CMU Common Lisp)
      initial public release?                              :
             |                                             :
      GNU Emacs 15.10 (11-apr-85)                          :
             |
      GNU Emacs 15.34 (07-may-85)
             |
      GNU Emacs 16.56 (15-jul-85)
      (Gosling code expunged
      for copyright reasons)
             |
             |
      GNU Emacs 16.60 (19-sep-85)
      (contained first patches from
      the net, including preliminary
      SYSV support)
             |
             |
      GNU Emacs 17.36 (20-dec-85)
      (included TeX manual; first
      version that worked on SYSV
      out of the box)
             |
             |
1986  GNU Emacs 18.24 beta (02-oct-86)
             |
1987  GNU Emacs 18.41 (22-mar-87)
             |
      GNU Emacs 18.45 (02-jun-87)
             |
      GNU Emacs 18.49 (18-sep-87)
             |   \
             |    \________________________________________________
             |                                                     \
             |                                                      \
             |                                           Early work on Epoch begins (1987)
             |                                           by Alan M. Carroll
1988  GNU Emacs 18.50 (13-feb-88)                                     |
             |                                                        |
      GNU Emacs 18.51 (07-may-88)                                     |
             |                                                        |
      GNU Emacs 18.52 (01-sep-88)                                     |
             |                                            Epoch 1.0 (14-dec-88)
             |                                            by Alan M. Carroll with Simon Kaplan
1989  GNU Emacs 18.53 (24-feb-89)                                     |
             |   \                                                    |
             |    \________________________________________________   |   _____
             |                                                        |        \
      GNU Emacs 18.54 (26-apr-89)                                     |         \
             |                                                        |          \
      GNU Emacs 18.55 (23-aug-89)                                     |           \ 
             |    |                                                   |            \
             |    |                                                   |     NEmacs 3.2.1 (15-dec-89)
             |    |                                                   |     "Nihongo Emacs": a fork
             |    |                                                   |     with multi-byte Japanese
             |    |                                                   |     language support.
             |    |                                                   |             |
             |    |                                       Epoch 2.0 (23-dec-89)     |
             |    |                                                   |             |
             |    |                                                   |             |
1990         |    |                                       Epoch 3.1 (06-feb-90)     |
             |    |                                                   |             |
             |    \                                                   |     NEmacs 3.3.1 (3-mar-90)
             |     \                                                  |             |
             |      \                                     Epoch 3.2 (11-dec-90)     |
             |       \                                    last Carroll release.     |
             |        \____ (sporadic work on                         |             |
             |               GNU Emacs 19 begins)                     |             |
             |                     |                                  |             |
             |                     |                                  |             |
             |                     |                      Epoch 4.0 (27-aug-90)     |
             |                     |                      Now maintained by NCSA.   |
             |                     |                                  |             |
1991  GNU Emacs 18.57 (??-jan-91)  |                                  |             |
             |                     |                                  |             |
      GNU Emacs 18.58 (??-???-91)  |                                  |             |
             |                     |                                  |             |
1992         |                     |___                               |     MULE 0.9.0b (4-mar-92)
             |                     |   \                              |     "Multilingual
             |                     |    \                             |     Enhancements to Emacs":
             |                     |     \                            |     support for input methods
             |                     |      \                           |     and various languages
             |                     |   Lucid Emacs 19.0 (??-apr-92)   |     including Japanese,
             |                     |   by Jamie Zawinski et al.       |     Chinese, Korean, Greek,
             |                     |      |                           |     Hebrew, and Cyrillic.
             |                     |   Lucid Emacs 19.1 (04-jun-92)   |             |
             |                     |      |                           |             |
             |                     |   Lucid Emacs 19.2 (19-jun-92)   |             |
             |                     |      |                           |             |
             |                     |   Lucid Emacs 19.3 (09-sep-92)   |             |
      GNU Emacs 18.59 (31-oct-92)  |      |                           |             |
             |                     |      |                           |             |
1993         |                    /    Lucid Emacs 19.4 (21-jan-93)   |             |
             |                   /        |                           |             |
             |                  /      Lucid Emacs 19.5 (05-feb-93)   |             |
             |                 /       (trade-show giveaway CD only)  |             |
             |                /           |                           |             |
             |   ____________/         Lucid Emacs 19.6 (09-apr-93)   |             |
             |  /                         |                           |             |
             | /                          |                           |             |
      GNU Emacs 19.7 beta (22-may-93)     |                          /|             |
      first public v19 beta               |                         / |             |
             |                            |                        /  |  ...___     |
      GNU Emacs 19.8 beta (27-may-93)     |                       /   |        \    |
             |        \                   |                      /    |         \   |
             |         \________________  |  ___________________/     |     MULE 1.0 (1-aug-93)
             |                          \ | /                         |     (based on GNU Emacs 18.59)
             |                         Lucid Emacs 19.8 (06-sep-93)   |             |
             |                         (Epoch merger, preliminary     |             |
             |                          I18N support)                 |             |
             |                            |                           |             |
      GNU Emacs 19.22 beta (28-nov-93)    |                           |             |
             |                            |                           |             |
1994         |                         Lucid Emacs 19.9 (12-may-94)  /              |
             |                         (scrollbars, Athena)         /               |
             |                            |                        /                |
      GNU Emacs 19.23 beta (17-may-94)    |                       /                 |
             |            \               |                      /                  |
             |             \____________  |  ___________________/                   |
             |                          \ | /                                       |
             |                         Lucid Emacs 19.10 (27-may-94)                |
             |                         last JWZ release.                            |
             |                            |                                         |
      GNU Emacs 19.24 beta (16-may-94)    |                                         |
             |                            |                               ...___    |
             |                            |                                     \   |
             |                            |                                      \  |
             |                            |                                 MULE 2.0 (6-aug-94)
             |                            |                                 (based on GNU Emacs 19.25)
             |                            |                                         |
             |                         XEmacs 19.11 (13-sep-94)                     |
             |                         Lucid Emacs -> XEmacs renaming.              |
             |                         now maintained by Chuck Thompson             |
             |                         and Ben Wing.                                |
             |                            |                                         |
      GNU Emacs 19.27 beta (14-sep-94)    |                                         |
             |                            |                                         |
      GNU Emacs 19.28 (01-nov-94)         |                                         |
      first official v19 release.         |                               ...___    |
             |                            |                                     \   |
             |                            |                                      \  |
             |                            |                                 MULE 2.2 (28-dec-94)
             |                            |                                 (based on GNU Emacs 19.28)
             |                            |                                         |
             |                            |                                         |
1995         |                            |                                 MULE 2.3 (24-jul-95)
             |                            |                                         .
             |                         XEmacs 19.12 (23-jun-95)                     .
             |                         (tty support)    \                           .
      GNU Emacs 19.29 (21-jun-95)         |              \                          .
             |                            |        (work on 20.x begins)            .
      GNU Emacs 19.30 (24-nov-95)         |               :                         .
             |           \                |               :                         .
             |            \_____________  |                                         .
             |                          \ |                                         .
             |                         XEmacs 19.13 (01-sep-95)                     .
1996  GNU Emacs 19.31 (25-may-96)         |                                         .
             |                         XEmacs 19.14 (23-jun-96)                     .
      GNU Emacs 19.34 (21-aug-96)         |                   \                     .
1997         |                         XEmacs 20.0 (09-feb-97) \                    .
             |                         now maintained by        \                   .
             |                         Steve Baur.               |                  .
             |                            |           XEmacs 19.15 (26-mar-97)      .
             |                            |                      |                  .
             |                         XEmacs 20.1 (15-apr-97)   |                  .
             |                            |                      |                  .
             |                         XEmacs 20.2 (16-may-97)   |                  .
      GNU Emacs 20.1 (17-sep-97)          |                      |                  .
             |                            |                      |                  .
      GNU Emacs 20.2 (20-sep-97)          |                      |                  .
             |                            |           XEmacs 19.16 (31-oct-97)     .
             |                            |                                       .
             |                         XEmacs 20.3 (21-nov-97)                   .
             |                            |                                     /
             |                            |    ________________________________/
             |                            |   /
             |                            |  /
1998         |                         XEmacs 20.4 (28-feb-98)
             |                         first reasonably stable
             |                         release with MULE support.
             |                         XEmacs "core" and "packages"
             |                         now packaged separately.
             |                            |
             |                            |
             |                         XEmacs 21.0-pre5 (18-jul-98)
             |                         Numbering scheme goes wonky due to
             |                         switch to stable + unstable branches.
      GNU Emacs 20.3 (19-aug-98)          |
             |                            |
             |                         XEmacs 21.0.60 (10-dec-98)
             |                           /  \___________________
             |                          /                       \
1999         |                         /             XEmacs 21.2.9 (03-feb-99)
             |                        /              (trunk / unstable branch)
             |                       /                           |
             |                XEmacs 21.1.3 (26-jun-99)          |
             |                (stable / maintenance branch)      |
             |                maintained by Vin Shelton.         |
             |                       |                           |
      GNU Emacs 20.4 (12-jul-99)     |                           |
             |                       |                           |
2000         |                       |               XEmacs 21.2.27 (18-jan-00)
             |                       |                           |
             |                XEmacs 21.1.9  (13-feb-00)         |
             |                       |                           |
      GNU Emacs 21.1 (20-oct-01)     |               XEmacs 21.2.36 (04-oct-00)
             |                       |                           |
2001         |                XEmacs 21.1.14 (27-jan-01)         |
             |                (branch retired)                   |
             |                                       XEmacs 21.2.40 (08-jan-01)
             |                             ____________________/ |
             |                            /                      |
             |                           /           XEmacs 21.5.0  (18-apr-01)
             |                          /            (trunk / unstable branch)
             |                         /                         |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.0  (16-apr-01)         |
             |                (stable / maintenance branch)      |
             |                Maintained by Stephen Turnbull.    |
             |                Shipped by Red Hat, Debian,        |
             |                Mandrake, etc.                     |
             |                        |                          |
2002  GNU Emacs 21.2 (16-mar-02)      |              XEmacs 21.5.6  (05-apr-02)
             |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.7  (04-may-02)         |
             |                        |                          |
2003         |                XEmacs 21.4.12 (15-jan-03)         |
             |                first "stable" 21.4                |
             |                        |                          |
      GNU Emacs 21.3 (19-mar-03)      |                          |
             |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.13 (25-may-03)         |
             |                maintained by Vin Shelton.         |
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.14 (01-jun-03)
             |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.14 (05-sep-03)         |
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.16 (26-sep-03)
2004         |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.15 (03-feb-04)         |
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.18 (22-oct-04)
             |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.17 (06-feb-05)         |
2005         |                        |                          |
      GNU Emacs 21.4a (17-feb-05)     |              XEmacs 21.5.19 (18-feb-05)
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.23 (26-oct-05)
             |                        |                          |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.18 (03-dec-05)         |
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.24 (19-dec-05)
             |                        |                          |
2006         |                XEmacs 21.4.19 (28-jan-06)         |
             |                        |                          |
             |                        |              XEmacs 21.5.28 (21-may-06)
             |                        |
             |                XEmacs 21.4.20 (09-dec-06)
             |                        |
      GNU Emacs 22.1 (02-jun-07)      |
                                      |
2007                          XEmacs 21.4.21 (14-oct-07)



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-24  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-20  9:03 Suggested experimental test Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 11:14 ` Jean Louis
2021-03-20 11:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20 11:34   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20 12:37 ` Proposal to remove C-o binding [was: Suggested experimental test] Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-21  6:53 ` Suggested experimental test Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-21  8:35   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 13:20     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 22:16         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 22:54           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:05             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 23:13               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-21 23:46                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22  0:40                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 10:05                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:14                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 19:06                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 19:56                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 21:03                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:26                               ` Drew Adams
2021-03-23  8:06                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 21:08                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 11:21                   ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 11:07               ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22  3:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 10:05             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 11:37               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-22 12:20                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:48                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 18:15                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 18:14               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22  8:59           ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-03-22 10:05             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 10:49           ` Jean Louis
2021-03-21 10:48   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 10:58     ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-03-21 13:20       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-21 18:16       ` Sv: " Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22  5:11         ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 10:24       ` Sv: " Jean Louis
2021-03-22 10:14     ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 12:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 12:23       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 16:15         ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 16:14       ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 17:46           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:59             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:23             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23  6:09             ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-22 18:03           ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 17:20       ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-03-22 17:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 17:55         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 18:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:22             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23  8:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 16:51                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 17:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 18:08                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:06                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 21:43                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 21:57                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:08                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 22:14                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 22:42                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-23 23:05                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24  5:15                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24  5:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24  6:39                           ` Jean Louis [this message]
2021-03-24  6:32                       ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24  6:10                   ` Jean Louis
2021-03-22 18:17         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:09             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:55               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 22:02                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:33                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 23:28                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-22 22:44                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 23:22                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-23  5:22                     ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23  7:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 12:28                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 12:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 13:09                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:27                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-03-23 14:00                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 13:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:04                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-23 21:06                                 ` chad
2021-03-24  5:07                             ` Jean Louis
2021-03-25  5:09                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-23  6:12                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-24 23:41                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25  6:12                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 13:20                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 14:30                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-03-25 17:09                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-25 18:59                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 19:30                             ` Yuri Khan
2021-03-25 21:11                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-25 23:54                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 10:34                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-26 23:13                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-26 23:34                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-27  0:02                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-28 13:59                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:22               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-22 20:36                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 21:03                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-22 20:56         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-03-22 18:11       ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 18:34         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 18:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:13             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:25                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:49                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:52                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:54                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:04                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23  7:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:21               ` chad
2021-03-22 19:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 20:04                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:11                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 20:16                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-23  7:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 20:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:02                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-23  7:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-22 19:28                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-22 19:56                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:56                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:19                       ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:22             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23  8:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 14:15                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 14:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-23 17:21                   ` Bob Rogers
2021-03-24  5:42                   ` Jean Louis
2021-03-23 20:55                 ` chad
2021-03-25 17:04           ` [EXTERNAL] " Stephan Mueller
2021-03-22 19:37         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:42         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-22 20:33       ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-03-22 18:42     ` Sean Whitton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-03-23 21:51 Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24  8:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-24  8:51   ` tomas
2021-03-24  9:16     ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24  9:22       ` tomas
2021-03-24 10:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 11:13       ` tomas
2021-03-24 11:51         ` Jean Louis
2021-03-24 11:55           ` tomas
2021-03-25  5:14           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-24 17:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 17:19           ` tomas
2021-03-24 17:30         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-24 20:08           ` tomas
2021-03-25  5:14       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-25  5:48         ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-25  7:46         ` Eli Zaretskii

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