From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:07:55 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87y2efhx3e.fsf@gnus.org> <838s6f9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efgg3w.fsf@gnus.org> <878s6fgdzu.fsf@gnus.org> <19c1ec9e-a97f-a8ab-b966-edadbc299c39@yandex.ru> <83mtuu8gdz.fsf@gnu.org> <87tup26om4.fsf@posteo.net> <831rc682js.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2550"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org, gregory@heytings.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 06:09:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOvm2-0000Wx-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:09:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47570 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOvm1-0003Zd-Ss for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOvlB-000391-Sy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:59991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOvlA-0003jr-3D; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.53]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E0AB.00000000605AC95C.00002EEF; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:08:44 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Philip Kaludercic , larsi@gnus.org, gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <831rc682js.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266915 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2021-03-23 15:42]: > The context was the discussion of changes in key bindings. If they > are not changed by default, how else can such a change be made? As a theme in Emacs Development it would allow easier testing without changing defaults. But it includes Emacs Development only. Another way could be as extension or package in ELPA, making a package and publishing it in ELPA as: experiment-001 -- would allow many Emacs users to test it, not just developers. Package could supply feedback function. By pointing out that it is experiment that needs user feedback, the results would be richer with more facts from various Emacs versions as well. That would be also one good way to ask users polls without influencing their Emacs version. If results are useful for some users, than a non-experimenting package can be made that can be obtained from ELPA. If results are appear to be useful for very many users, that could then lead to new versions of Emacs.