From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:07:04 +0300 Message-ID: References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3169cdcdbc4@heytings.org> <9088e12cb3a70cbf66aa@heytings.org> <9088e12cb381e11e6d32@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16478"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 12:10:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOIRc-00049E-Pp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:10:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54226 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOIRb-0007MK-LK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:09:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOIQ3-0006Wm-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:08:24 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:42941) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOIPz-0004Av-Ul; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.53]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E1B8.0000000060587AA0.00004E17; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 04:08:15 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Gregory Heytings , "Alfred M. Szmidt" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9088e12cb381e11e6d32@heytings.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266745 Archived-At: * Gregory Heytings [2021-03-22 02:06]: > > It isn't a small change to remove a feature completely. When asked to > > keep _a_ binding, it has been meet with silence and it has been more > > important to inconvinence users than to listen to them, so I can only > > assume that this will a similar case for C-o. > > Your assumption is wrong. Please have a look at the proposed > experiment: it moves open-line to repeated C-o. If you have followed my personal usage of C-o from my previous email: - behavior #1, cursor at beginnin of line, C-o inserts new line, and I start typing - behavior #2, cursor anywhere else on the line, C-a C-o moves to beginning of line, opens new line - behavior #3 is the one explained in 1985 manual, to start typing text in the middle of the line while bringin the remainder of text down -- this one I do not use then now please imagine how it would like like with your change: - behavior #1 above, would require 2 key bindings instead of 1 - behavior #2, above, would require now 3 key bindings instead of 2 - behavior #3 as you explained from 1985 manual, I do not use, almost never Among all those I would choose the vi like `O' to open new line, but it does not work within Emacs key binding style. I am not really fan of moving or customizing any default key bindings, as for those personal customizations I use either Super key or Hyper on Caps Lock or C-c LETTER bindings. Reason I am not fan of changing default key bindings myself is that I wish to have consistent behavior across multipe operating systems, multiple remote virtual private servers that run multiple various free operating systems, across multiple Emacs versions and across multiple Emacs-like editors. But would I be fan of customizing some default key bindings I would then replace C-o with C-a C-o like this: (defun my-C-o () "Opens new line regardless where is cursor positioned." (interactive) (move-beginning-of-line nil) (open-line 1)) (global-set-key (kbd "C-o") #'my-C-o) But I am not doing that, as I do not like having habit on default key bindings as that breaks my habits on those other computers where I do not use any customizations. Jean