From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Experimentally unbind M-o on the trunk Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:27:53 +0300 Message-ID: References: <8ed9b43502ae1480e06b@heytings.org> <83r1lohqoc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1235"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 11 06:33:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lA4bS-0000CL-KD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:33:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lA4bR-0003I2-LH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:33:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lA4Zs-0002q6-M1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:31:46 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:47989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lA4Zn-0007RA-QP; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:31:43 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E078.000000006024C138.00001962; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:31:35 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" , gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264354 Archived-At: * Alan Mackenzie [2021-02-10 20:05]: > Because we care about other people, in particular newbies. The bindings > people are suggesting suppressing are all basic editing commands. If > their bindings are taken from them, then they become inaccessible, und > unknowable, to all but a few old hands. Newbies should also be able to > discover and use back-to-indentation, open-line, and so forth. It is good to take care of newbies in Emacs. Yet if I am new I would not mind what somebody changed before me as that I would not know so it would not matter. Concerns with changs of key bindings impact those people who use keyboard as extension of human body. That is why key binding is sensitive subject rather for non-newbies. The discussion developed as no cyborg likes surgical-like interventions in their neural connections.