From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:36:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26139"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Gregory Heytings , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 08 19:38:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9BQM-0006eu-H9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 19:38:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52980 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9BQL-0002RZ-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 13:38:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60610) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l95m4-00032O-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:36:16 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:35354 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l95lv-0006vF-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:36:14 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 35188 invoked by uid 3782); 8 Feb 2021 12:36:02 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15ad3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.211]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 13:36:02 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 24291 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Feb 2021 12:36:02 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264167 Archived-At: Hello, Richard. On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 22:46:37 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Option 1. C-z, with a single exception: "C-z C-z" would be bound to > > "suspend-frame" > I think that these changes for C-z, M-z and C-o would be a big pain in > the neck. > However, it would be possible to make M-z M-ANYTHING available for > other bindings and reserve them for whatever we wish. That would not > conflict with the current meaning of M-z, because meta characters > can't be in the buffer. > The binding of M-m is less useful than many other keys. Perhaps it > could be given to some other use. Please not. I use M-m frequently. If that binding were to be removed, there would be no good way of doing what it does. C-a M-f M-b is not good. I think the existence of bindings like C-o and M-m is one of the differences between Emacs and lesser editors that makes Emacs so good. I don't use C-z or M-z myself, but that's no reason for me to advocate reassigning those keys to something else. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).