From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org,
arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: [ELPA] New package: repology.el
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:56:21 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YA8GRfV9Rz94ZtR8@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mtwx2gnx.fsf@gnu.org>
* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-01-25 18:14]:
> > Let us say enriched mode in Emacs, if it would not be modifiable by
> > programmers who fork Emacs, I am not sure if Emacs would be free
> > software.
>
> Enriched mode doesn't have or use a schema, so this example is
> inapplicable.
But it has its format. Right?
Content-Type: text/enriched
Text-Width: 70
<center>
Hello there</center>
How about programmer comes and says, now I want to call it Enriched
mode, but internally it has to look like this:
FORMAT: Enriched
Width: 70
<PUT-MIDDLE>
Hello there</DONE>
> > How about Org mode itself? If its format would not be modifiable, then
> > we would not have software similar on Org or based on Org mode, such
> > as:
> >
> > OneModel — an Alternative to emacs org-mode
> > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/04/23/0149257
>
> Is OneModel compatible with Org? If it is, then it's an extension,
> not some modification. If it isn't compatible, then it's simply a
> different schema, unrelated to Org.
Exactly, I was thinking we were chatting about that. Of course that by
changing schema one may get incompatible formats. And that shall be
software freedom. We have to allow programmers to make any formats and
build upon previous formats.
Incompatibility or not, that is not major point.
When StarOffice was made first time its format was incompatible to
many other formats. It was proprietary software. I know it as I have
purchased it in Germany and used. Without that incompatible format we
would not have today Open Document Format. So those schemas should be
also free that new formats can be devised. The history of
StarOffice/OpenOffice/LibreOffice shows that freedom is important and
that people build upon it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-25 17:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-30 16:23 [ELPA] New package: repology.el Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-30 19:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30 21:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-31 13:31 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 11:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-31 13:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 20:30 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-01 7:31 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 10:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-01 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 9:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-02 5:30 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 12:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 14:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 15:00 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 16:32 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-05 6:45 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 8:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 7:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 16:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 17:55 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-04 18:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 22:21 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-05 2:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-05 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 9:28 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 9:44 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 17:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 19:14 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 19:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-06 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-06 14:41 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 14:59 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-06 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 16:23 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-06 18:53 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 21:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-06 21:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 7:47 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 8:54 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 11:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 8:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 20:36 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-07 7:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 16:53 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-14 5:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-16 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 9:00 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 6:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 10:55 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 21:07 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-11 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 8:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-20 6:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-21 11:09 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-22 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-22 9:43 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-24 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 8:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 6:52 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 12:11 ` Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY
2021-01-25 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-27 7:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-25 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 18:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 3:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-26 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-27 18:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-25 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 5:59 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 13:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-27 7:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 10:53 ` Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: " Jean Louis
2021-01-24 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-24 19:12 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-24 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-24 20:36 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 16:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 16:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-28 6:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-28 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-29 6:36 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 20:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-25 17:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 17:56 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2021-01-25 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 3:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-26 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 20:10 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-24 20:46 ` tomas
2021-01-27 7:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 9:27 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-26 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 9:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-27 7:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 15:43 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-01-26 16:48 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-01-28 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-16 5:21 ` freedom issues in free software Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 15:05 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Stefan Monnier
2021-01-13 15:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 6:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 11:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 7:32 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-30 21:58 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v2) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-04 11:45 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v3) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-04 17:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-19 9:50 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v4) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-20 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
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