From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 12:38:11 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83y1pzyqed.fsf@gnu.org> <875yd296la.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lelyzuph.fsf@gnu.org> <871qnq91l1.fsf@yahoo.com> <835yd2ps1v.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn5i7id9.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qnqppkm.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkmtoep1.fsf@gnu.org> <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36804"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 29 20:59:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pMDpT-0009P2-4Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 20:59:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMDon-0003vt-BZ; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 14:58:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMDol-0003vW-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 14:58:23 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMDok-0003Q5-7F; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 14:58:23 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.12.54]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000010B84A.0000000063D6CFC0.00003D2A; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 12:57:51 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Konstantin Kharlamov , Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302765 Archived-At: * Konstantin Kharlamov [2023-01-28 10:50]: > On Fri, 2023-01-20 at 09:19 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:47:34 +0300 > > > From: Jean Louis > > > Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > > > * Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-19 17:28]: > > > > First, we need to decide whether we indeed want to have this in Emacs. > > > > Android is not a free platform, so when its support comes with a lot > > > > of additional non-trivial code that we'd need to understand and > > > > support/maintain (including a lot of Java), we had better discussed > > > > that first. > > > > > > Replicant is free platform. > > > > That fact is not relevant to this discussion. > > I think the point Jean meant to make is that Android platform per se isn't > closed, even if the unfortunate situation is that many vendors ship a lot of > closed code, mainly drivers (tho situation with closed drivers is slowly > improving, Google seem to be working on that). Yes, Eli mentioned "Android is not free platform", and I have mentioned Android-based fully free platform. LineageOS is not free that I know as it includes non-free drivers or something. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/