From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package "luwak" Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:05:00 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87k02ws0pd.fsf@posteo.net> <87h6xxacuw.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22690"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 16 14:34:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p6Aqp-0005f6-Uz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:34:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p6AqK-0000VA-7l; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 08:33:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p6AqI-0000Uw-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 08:33:38 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p6AqG-0001rv-Lv; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 08:33:38 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.4.25]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055DA4.00000000639C73AD.000026BB; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 06:33:33 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Philip Kaludercic , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h6xxacuw.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301484 Archived-At: * Philip Kaludercic [2022-12-15 00:36]: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > That could be so -- I don't have a conclusion -- but name calling > > (like "a modern user") doesn't prove it. > > I can assure you that "modern user" wasn't meant to be a form of name > calling, just a reference to the fact that most people, even Emacs users > have at best little experience with text-based browsers. Many Emacs packages are peculiar for specific tasks, they are there because they are useful to some people, not to majority of people and not because they are popular. Scientists lead the world and they use their peculiar and very much not popular software. By using Emacs use is empowered. This is for the reason that Emacs users are not limited to boundaries of popularity. Popularity obviously has constraints. When one wish to accommodate modern users, that would mean to follow the mainstream and mainstream direction for modern users is strictly private business of largest companies such as Google or Apple. Even the opinion of what modern users may like is not truly an opinion but it is implanted information by what major companies dictate onto those users. Regarding text based browsers, since I found them 1999, I still use them today in 2022. Of course not always, but definitely sometimes. Very often I use `lynx´ with the `--head´ switch just to find out if specific long file exists on the server. Being in a country where Internet bandwidth is not so cheap spares my money! Same applies to websites with a lot of pictures and distractive elements where I am interested in the main context. Then there is use for `lynx´ and `elinks´ and `luwak´, EWW and Emacs `w3m´ programs where I wish to read some paywall websites. Many of those websites rely on the modern web browsers to run Javascript. And instead of disabling Javascript in a GUI browser I tend to use Emacs `w3m´ or EWW or luwak now when I know about it. And how about the speed? Sometimes we need text and information in speedy manner. Then sometimes I like to take text from a website and re-format it for personal notes. Text browser help in doing so. Especially within Emacs, any kind of text browser is helpful as it directly brings the text from Internet into the editor, and that makes it useful. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/