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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299789 Archived-At: --lY5zWZdMFZPW2jOm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 12:19:17AM +0200, Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar wrote: [...] > Maybe I should have phrased it differently but the mapi protocol to > connect to Exchange is only implemented in Microsoft Exchange. As usual, reality isn't as clear cut as to fit into such a small sentence. There are several free projects which implement parts of MAPI, to several degrees of completeness. Parts of MAPI are publically released. Sometimes, a combination of reverse engineering, very perseverant lobbying work by free software associations and the ultimate threat of anti-trust action end up cooking a big vendor (think Samba). Big vendors think strategically. Free software advocates have to, too. Nowadays, big vendor's strategies are shifting away from software and protocol secrecy towards the methods of surveillance capitalism (what Zuboff calls "the means of behavioral modification"). I think those are more insidious (cf. Microsoft and Github). But back to your assertion above: I'd say "all generalizations suck" :-) Cheers --=20 t --lY5zWZdMFZPW2jOm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY3HUHAAKCRAFyCz1etHa RuvJAJ9d8OX8bcGDntcpDxYw1PU7er7/vgCfROsxxMGngvSr8exKNOG6m6XwZP0= =o5nT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lY5zWZdMFZPW2jOm--