From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 06:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87r0yemgt2.fsf@rfc20.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VnC6Nw9FRYE2UcMd" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 09 06:49:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1osdxr-0004JW-I4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:49:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osdxQ-0001bl-S2; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 00:49:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osdxP-0001bG-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 00:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osdxN-0003uG-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 00:49:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xVJjRsUWKI4nQo0foqWboqaUneJy+MDD0XUNJkTPWms=; b=FD3rLg7syxaFzxFp0cAANjGn6z YbSl2A9i+Hx9XL4Nr/5RPYdVr05n9e5rhkMfhuCHkl0DKAEXl1XVm1i306S3DFDRqXRi95Z061/aP tsstUVAoLsrHPPzktj/tlJSW20hoEjnYx9cQjk6fBAEPdhjh04Obwh87MKjfGmESoT+lcJKEQjQ7o LVN16Sqq1NVJIQ4t+GBO44+pwW1q/034MAO8N+vKhB6BqTVEpscm2LgprYychB//xrU0rbzvEYB9b y2QhYwc5LB0io6Zx4TCy14hW5niFUTkEjcQ5rV/EVkyU3V8NR6X/R5lqKym6P85v1GzdjWVlJFUkq T02t9yAA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1osdxK-0001QJ-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:48:58 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299381 Archived-At: --VnC6Nw9FRYE2UcMd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 09, 2022 at 12:42:24PM +0700, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 11:04, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > > There was a feature that let you specify, in one package FOO, "Let me > > omit package prefixes when I refer to symbols from package BAR." >=20 > > The general idea is a nice one, but it doesn't work in Lisp. >=20 > This feature exists in C++, Python, Scala, and many other languages, =2E..but it doesn't lump together a variable, a function (and a couple of other things). Be it because, at heart, they're a Lisp-1 (Python, probably Scala), because they disambiguate types with a sigil (Perl, PHP) -- thus making them a Lisp-1. Perhaps (I've to defer to Richard's experience here; I'm one of those wary of shorthands and wishing for a "real" namespace/module system) Elisp Lisp-2-ness makes things harder. Cheers --=20 t --VnC6Nw9FRYE2UcMd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY2s/QwAKCRAFyCz1etHa RhtOAJwJfRvVXc66AarVKPrvlDqSaKDA7wCdHN0Qo4FrAR/sGIMIAkuEqFi4yzk= =8Cmb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VnC6Nw9FRYE2UcMd--