From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 10:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83sfj5g081.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pw5jU1aTKZy2MqvL" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6226"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 30 10:15:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1op4PS-0001O7-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 10:15:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1op4OZ-0005TP-Ce; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 05:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1op4OV-0005SQ-H7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 05:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1op4OT-00051y-KD; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 05:14:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=P4TFGYD8Z4yNDNyOtrU1IpPIh0R5XAvA1xiwfJlm1Dg=; b=XV+UUTr3tL04cuXhdn//U3FFLX 2DYmhi9f+nULMMfiy3si1gNoEsO0HxPVfcnaNNiJ3z/+7Ia1GleXJY39IHaCjRiRJdSZdSIG1W4eh apqUWvgVN+Dtaj6DYQE2q1o+Ty4no3W09BV7ysfB7s8S8MFsmky/PrZMnEQqyI0esz77oNI7XP54y iX9Xk1kDRYlimBXB8TC6vFPl6qCllp+RKJ+HgWLFQ3dh0vkJYyl/FDLYuPKy7V/o9QrF0D5LdoRbc dvyUsYZg6NDrhD1xjsXZkxGHO9k1LndUM0RS+9ayi587fZQLOHIlMstA4CG606JC5He13VenyBn8s yaykMzsA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1op4OQ-0006nb-EM; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 10:14:10 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83sfj5g081.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298798 Archived-At: --pw5jU1aTKZy2MqvL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:54:54AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:38:41 +0100 > > From: > >=20 > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 07:45:39AM +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > > Since Richard is swamped with mails, I'd like to try and ask some > > > questions here. > >=20 > > I had similar feelings about shorthands vs. (module) name spaces. > >=20 > > I just couldn't figure out whether this was due to habituation > > or whether I was feeling a "real" problem >=20 > Before everyone starts presenting here that we made some nonsensical > decision when we added shorthands, let me remind us that it was added > to allow us to use packages like "s" (https://github.com/magnars/s.el), > "f" (https://github.com/rejeep/f.el) and other similar ones, which use > "problematic" function names. We wanted to be able to use packages > which have dependencies of those, while at the same time providing > reasonably-named aliases for them. (Gerd wasn't around back then, so > he is excused, but the rest of us were here, so please let's not > pretend those discussions never happened.) I don't know who you mean by "us". I'm not pretending anything. I do know that discussion happened. Cheers --=20 t --pw5jU1aTKZy2MqvL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY15AXAAKCRAFyCz1etHa Rst6AJ0Q8aD2SGi+P+dvSGKsyUxlN7NT+gCfQ4dOsQkr1iMqwHguMcKwMXvINgk= =9UEC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pw5jU1aTKZy2MqvL--