From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Renaming eglot -- or at least add an alias? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297188 Archived-At: --n4bdddiwW2IQg5cs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 09:03:01AM +1100, Tim Cross wrote: >=20 > Emanuel Berg writes: >=20 > > Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > > >> Eglot: code completion, navigation, show method docs, > >> calltips. TreeSitter: syntax highlighting, maybe indentation > >> and imenu. > > > > Can't we have an "assistant" as well, like the one in MS Word? > > > > It looks like you're writing a letter ... > > > > So here with Elisp it would be > > > > It looks like you're implementing the Bubblesort algorithm. > > Beware that it performs poorly in real world use! But if you > > really want it, actually some dude on MELPA already has it > > > > > > Or would that be annoying you think? >=20 > Personally, I'd find it annoying. However, it is pretty much what > Github's co pilot does and many seem to love it. [more good reasons] What I miss here is the "big picture". Programming is an eminently social activity. More so when it tries to tackle big project. What Microsoft is doing here (and succeeding at a horrifying speed) is building a "social network" for programming, to feed on hacker's behavioral surplus [1]. The acquisition of Github was just an especially successful move in that direction; before, they acquired LinkedIn, for example. They were desperately searching for a niche left over by Google, Facebook and Twitter -- and they seem to have found it. Copilot is just the next step (Chapter Ten "Make Them Dance") described in Zuboff's book. Basically it is what Google tried with Pok=C3=A9mon Go. Cheers [1] Shoshana Zuboff: "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" --=20 t --n4bdddiwW2IQg5cs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY0ELUAAKCRAFyCz1etHa RpxrAJ9hM3ks5rCCQfgMjb/fX7iwXTZWKgCdGMltjehCJOsqBnZfDlRRfCPKYmc= =oiL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n4bdddiwW2IQg5cs--