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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:30:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+4FwRBUddEBc46m@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83cz6a819j.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, Eli.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:26:00 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 06:45:13 +0100
> > From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>

> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:06:35PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> > > Well, I do.  And I explained this several times already in the past,

> > I don't understand that. To me it feels like pushing people to bump
> > into ts-modes whether they want or not.

> These modes are completely optional, turned off by default.  Users
> need to turn them on, in one of the described ways, for them to take
> any effect.  None of the described ways of turning on the modes
> happens automatically.  I'm bewildered how this can be regarded as
> "pushing people to bump into" these modes.  Are you sure we are
> talking about the same editor?

I'm a little surprised that you don't appreciate how other people (such
as me) work, and that you seem to regard restarting Emacs as a perfectly
acceptable way of reversing M-x c-ts-mode.

(Some) users will not be satisfied with a single switch to c-ts-mode,
they will want to move backwards and forwards to and from CC Mode IN THE
SAME EMACS SESSION, and will resent continually having to restart Emacs
to do so.

This "moving backwards and forward" is asymmetric.  It is far, far
easier to switch into c-ts-mode than switch out of it, and I feel this
is not right.  It is why I proposed c-make-ts-undefault-mode.

Also, restarting Emacs will NOT restore auto-mode-alist, unless the user
doesn't use desktop, or somehow knows (how?) he must clear his desktop
of c-ts-mode buffers before restarting.  I foresee much wasted time and
frustration resulting from this.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-16 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <84973.1672843723@hassadar.pretzelnet.org>
     [not found] ` <83wn62xi3k.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <m1cz7u5brr.fsf@yahoo.es>
     [not found]     ` <83o7rexe2n.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <83h6x5xym7.fsf@gnu.org>
2023-01-15 14:01         ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 23:39           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16  7:43             ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-16 16:30               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 12:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 13:06               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 14:50                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 12:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 13:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 14:32                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 14:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 15:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:10                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:59                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:21                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 19:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 19:21                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  1:11                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-18  1:23                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  3:34                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18  3:52                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 12:06                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 14:00                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 14:51                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 12:36                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-17 17:34                             ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:40                               ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-17 18:17                                 ` treesit-forward-sexp Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:50                               ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16  1:12           ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Po Lu
2023-01-17 17:30           ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:19               ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 18:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 19:08               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-14 19:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 21:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 15:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 17:57                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 20:31                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16  5:41                             ` tomas
2023-02-16  7:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 22:05                               ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]                           ` <87v8k2g04m.fsf@dick>
2023-02-15 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <87mt5eegkw.fsf@dick>
2023-02-16  7:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:52                                   ` Po Lu
2023-02-15 21:40                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:30                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:37                             ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 13:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-17 14:16                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-17 15:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <8735741fic.fsf@dick>
2023-02-17 15:41                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 16:04                                       ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Stefan Kangas
2023-02-17 17:42                                         ` Morgan Willcock
2023-02-17 15:15                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-17 13:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                               ` <d4c1a7f6-b5bf-f4f3-8d79-1c6b1d07cf70@yandex.ru>
2023-02-17 14:22                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 15:18                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:01                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 19:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 20:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 21:04                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  7:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  9:49                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16 11:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 14:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 15:42                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 16:45                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 17:05                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 19:14                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 20:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  5:45                                     ` tomas
2023-02-16  8:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 10:30                                         ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-02-16 12:38                                           ` Po Lu
2023-02-16 12:53                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 20:24                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16  7:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  7:53                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16  8:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:46                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16 11:58                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 11:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 14:48                                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2023-02-16 14:56                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 15:15                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-15 23:48                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-02-16  2:56                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:27                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 21:06                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16  7:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 18:25                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-19 16:53 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20  8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20 16:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20 19:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 11:30       ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-21 11:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22  6:23           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-22  6:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 10:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-18  7:55 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-03-11 12:45 ` Ongaro

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