From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:27:14 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="42340"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 21 17:28:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQuoc-000Atx-EA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:28:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59968 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQuob-0000XZ-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQuo4-000059-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQuo3-00034p-EQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]:15498) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQuo2-00030u-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:27:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1587482842; bh=IVoIwk9kEm3sX3EVR1XhX593an0ieK/dAQBPsURr/OU=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=Qzs0w3imv/ht+EXrns7OkJk9MGzsgFkx+Z4OnqmSNzaqi7KSAuWIEzxqx9lT1RhTh O2RYEwxuPizv2wduCjm2Zzy6O7a+g92btv5UaO5VOQpv3oL5eiVogm6jp13Etc/Sg2 v3juFDw3vn76bo998QGsnu2ohsZiePMV+gUB4At4= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.135; envelope-from=ndame@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40135.protonmail.ch X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/21 11:27:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.70.40.135 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247471 Archived-At: > > We should prioritize existing users over hypothetical users that don't > > even exist yet. > And then, another 20 years pass, the current users get too old/change car= eers/retire/etc, and Emacs's userbase shrinks even more. True, that's why some solution is needed which makes emacs more accessible for new users who wants to try emacs. The solution mentioned earlier in the thread can work well: Emacs defaults stay Emacs-like to satisfy the veterans, but if a new user downloads emacs and starts it without a config file then an optional initial config i= s prominently offered which can ease the transition for new users, make emacs less alien, more similar to existing systems.