From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:57:04 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31047"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adrien Brochard Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 20 12:03:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqwUo-0007yO-6y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:03:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35856 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqwUn-0001lB-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 06:03:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqwTT-0001GN-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 06:02:03 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:54349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqwTQ-0001ve-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 06:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000001FBAC0.000000005FDF2F25.00001ED0; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 04:01:56 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261318 Archived-At: * Adrien Brochard [2020-12-20 07:24]: > > Majority of users for the survey, if I remember well, came from > > Reddit. There was description where it was marketed mostly. > > > > Thus survey is not general Emacs survey, it is survey of mostly Reddit > > users who may be or probably are more skillful. > > What makes you think that people coming from the Reddit channel are more > skillful? If someone googles an Emacs question, getting directed to > r/emacs and finding the survey there is pretty likely. "who may be or probably", see above to understand the intended meaning. It is a survey that targeted intentionally or not intentionally just a subset of Emacs users using Reddit and few other popular websites. Those who speak about Emacs on reddit in my opinion are minimally slightly advanced users, as they discuss about Emacs. I was using Emacs for years without discussing with anybody. Debian popularity contest says that there is much larger number of Emacs users. The true representative survey information could be obtained only within Emacs itself under condition that survey is presented straight to Emacs user. Jean