From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:54:51 +0300 Message-ID: References: <86sg7w39fh.fsf@163.com> <83pn30pku5.fsf@gnu.org> <86wnx8otoj.fsf@163.com> <834kkbp9vr.fsf@gnu.org> <87czyxuxw6.fsf@db48x.net> <83sg7tm2es.fsf@gnu.org> <87tus9szo9.fsf@db48x.net> <83ft3sncbi.fsf@gnu.org> <87zh20swl4.fsf@db48x.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 12:05:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Nk-0007V3-Qc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:05:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49820 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Nj-0004F1-TR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:05:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56730) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Mf-0003Mf-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:04:02 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:34391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Ma-0006ev-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:04:00 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.159.185]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000068757.000000005FE71899.00001C14; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:03:52 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zh20swl4.fsf@db48x.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261832 Archived-At: * Daniel Brooks [2020-12-26 13:15]: > Jean Louis writes: > > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-26 12:32]: > >> I think this issue is largely irrelevant to Emacs (and to translating > >> program messages in general), since it customary nowadays to avoid > >> gender-specific language. We certainly do that in Emacs. > > > > In many languages nouns have its gender classes, and I hope you do not > > mean that. Example is that flower in German is refered as female while > > in some other languages as male. > > The example I used was dealing with the gender of a user, rather than of > a random noun. Emacs itself doesn't talk about the user very much, > though in principle I could see someone using BBDB to keep track of the > gender of their contacts. Regardless, Fluent can handle either type of > linguistic gender with equal ease, as well as all other types of variation. Do you mean to teach computer to recognize gender of the user by the user's name? That would not be a good guess. What is possible is to let the user specify the gender and then computer may construct gender relevant sentences. Those titles such as Mrs. Mr. Ms. are more social titles, I use them to recognie the social titles of people, but I do not consider them equal to gender. The only reasonable recognition of gender would be in a medical database where people need to know something about that, or in dating terms when one wish to mate with specific gender. Otherwise is more or less useless.