From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 15:45:08 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0t9rfj5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13124"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 23 13:50:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ks3b0-0003IR-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 13:50:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44338 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ks3az-0002Wn-Mc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 07:50:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ks3aM-000254-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 07:49:46 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ks3aJ-0003pl-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 07:49:45 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000018158.000000005FE33CE4.000064CA; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 05:49:39 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261592 Archived-At: * Arthur Miller [2020-12-22 20:53]: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 11:03:04 +0000 > >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." > >> > >> > I've been trying for more than 10 years to urge people to work toward > >> > giving Emacs the document capabilities of a word processor, but I have > >> > not convinced people to do this work. > >> What do you mean by this? I'm probably biased, but I don't see what > >> important "capability of a word processor" is lacking in Emacs. > > Personally I think Emacs is half-wysiwyg, or more then half by now. I can print into PDF or Postscript and will get a different font then on the screen. Good for me as I am fine with my printing, yet it does not reach What You See Is What You Get paradigm. If I would record screenshot, that would be only case to get what I see. In the Org mode there is Title and Author keywords, so that is far far from getting what you are seeing. If we reach what LyX document processor has reached, the paradigm of WYSIWYM or What You See Is What You Mean that would be already enough. That could be reached already now if basic fonts such as Courier, Roman, Sans Serif, can be mixed and they can be. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYM