From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:05:17 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11137"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: ghe@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 15:08:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kriLE-0002n5-G1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:08:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34198 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kriLD-00077g-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:08:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46736) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kriIy-0004zR-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:06:24 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:59633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kriIn-00009a-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:06:23 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000012081.000000005FE1FD52.000060AC; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 07:06:09 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261487 Archived-At: * Christopher Dimech [2020-12-22 15:23]: > That was a criticism on using weighting to account for missing data. Weighting is > customarily used to reduce noise levels or as a sparsity constraint. One possibility > would be a live survey (on the emacs website, a mailing list, ...). A built-in Emacs opinion poll sent by email in form of LISP data that may be automatically evaluated would create better data on what people wish and want, or what is more usable or not usable. But even more usable would be simple Nielssen usability test: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-testing-101/ Jean