From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:04:53 +0300 Message-ID: References: <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34481"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 21 08:08:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krFJ1-0008sr-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:08:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43486 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krFJ0-00085s-Tu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:08:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krFIB-0007gj-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:07:39 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:57229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krFI7-0002hS-V4; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:07:38 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000029535C.000000005FE049B4.0000135D; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 00:07:32 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261377 Archived-At: * Christopher Dimech [2020-12-21 09:57]: > > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 at 11:17 AM > > From: "Richard Stallman" > > To: "Christopher Dimech" > > Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > > I wonder whether the survey stems from lack of vision of emacs > > > admin and developers. For instance, Gcc has a Development Plan. > > > Suggestions for changes to the plan are discussed on the Gcc > > > mailing list and can be approved or rejected by the Gcc Steering > > > Committee. How about Emacs? > > > > GCC has many developers who are paid by various companies. > > That makes it easier to make plans and actually carry them out. > > > > The Emacs contributors are all volunteers, so we can't tell anyone > > what to do. We can only exhort and apply naked emotional pressure, > > which works only sometimes. > > Perhaps not in all details, but at some level it would benefit to > consider an actual plan. Else things move on quite haphazardly. > For instance, certain changes are better done in a sequence. > And if you are tackling a problem, you can consider tackling > a related one. There are many volunteer organizations where people make a plan of action. Volunteer or not, it is not related to planning. Especially if one wish to spare the time for developers it is better to have a development plan. It could be a simple list of most important issues to be handled for Emacs. When such list is published maybe more contributors could be drawn to it. And I see no reason why FSF donations could not be used to improve developer's life. Jean