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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250839 Archived-At: --_000_VI1PR06MB4526A3C7CD41BAB8A8BB728796B80VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha, yeah I know. I actually once created a gitlab project for a customer= on girlab, I just didn't know it was open source. Or I have just forgot . = But even if gitlab is open source, what says that their web interface is? H= ow do I know with my data and me, that I can't know? :-) Is it just "open s= ource" or "free" as in fsf free. Anyway, convenience is just one part of equation. The big issue is convenie= nce of group. Everyone is on github. One fork a repo, make a commit and cre= ate PR. PR is the new patch. People don't send patches in emails longer (ok= kernel a d Emacs folks does), it is kind of getting out of fashion. And gi= thub makes that very convenient. Anyway, the forking culture has more to do with business then just for the = service providers. Small companies create projects, and let people fork, th= e more people fork, the better it looks in presentation for in estors: oho= ok, we ha e 5000 firks and 10 000 downloads, we are popular, grant us fundi= ng for next year and we can do this and that.... -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: tomas@tuxteam.de Datum: 2020-05-18 14:33 (GMT+01:00) Till: emacs-devel@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: "Write a new package" culture instead of patches? On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 02:08:38PM +0200, Arthur Miller wrote: > writes: [on branching vs contributing, Github culture] > That plays role definitely. Familiarity as well. Github is really easy > to work with [...] Yes, the bribe of convenience. > [...] I dont' know is there a free service like github? I have > very modest needs [...] If you are willing to learn a new web interface, there's Gitlab (the server component is umm... somewhat free; more precisely it's "open core", as they say) and there's Gitea. Savannah has a git service too, I don't know very much about the interface they offer. It does take a bit of willpower to leave the plushy universe, but believe me -- it's a great landscape out there! C'm on. Take the red pill ;-D Cheers -- t --_000_VI1PR06MB4526A3C7CD41BAB8A8BB728796B80VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Haha, yeah I know. I actually once  created a gitlab= project for a customer on girlab, I just didn't know it was open source. O= r I have just forgot . But even if gitlab is open source, what says that th= eir web interface is? How do I know with my data and me, that I can't know? :-) Is it just "open source" = or  "free" as in fsf free.

Anyway, convenience is just one part of equation. The big= issue is convenience of group. Everyone is on github. One fork a repo, mak= e a commit and create PR. PR is the new patch. People don't send patches in= emails longer (ok kernel a d Emacs folks does), it is kind of getting out of fashion. And github makes that&n= bsp; very convenient. 

Anyway, the forking culture has more to do with business = then just for the service providers. Small companies create projects, and l= et people fork, the more people fork, the  better it looks in presenta= tion for in estors: ohook, we ha e 5000 firks and 10 000 downloads, we are popular, grant us funding for next year= and we can do this and that.... 




-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: tomas@tuxteam.de
Datum: 2020-05-18 14:33 (GMT+01:00)
Till: emacs-devel@gnu.org
=C4mne: Re: "Write a new package" culture instead of patches= ?

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 02:08:38PM +0200, Arth= ur Miller wrote:
> <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

[on branching vs contributing, Github culture]

> That plays role definitely. Familiarity as well. Github is really easy=
> to work with [...]

Yes, the bribe of convenience.

> [...] I dont' know is there a free service like github? I have
> very modest needs [...]

If you are willing to learn a new web interface, there's Gitlab
(the server component is umm... somewhat free; more precisely
it's "open core", as they say) and there's Gitea. Savannah has a git service too, I don't know very much about the interface
they offer.

It does take a bit of willpower to leave the plushy universe,
but believe me -- it's a great landscape out there!

C'm on. Take the red pill ;-D

Cheers
-- t
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