From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: solarized Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:29:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87mu1ra1ej.fsf@protesilaos.com> <877dsvs2l0.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <875z8f5hc1.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87wo0u3tts.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22279"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Elias =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=A5rtenson?= , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 16:43:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIv8f-0005cn-H9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256006 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 20:21, G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp wrote: > > On 2020-09-16 04:30 +03, Tim Cross wrote: > > > The solarised themse are good themes and quite popular and I think the= y > > should definitely be added to the default set of themes included in Em= acs. > > Whether either of them should be the default theme is another question= , but > > it would be good to be able to just turn them on if needed. > > That=E2=80=99s why I think fiddling with defaults is kinda missing the p= oint. > We all have what our minds want and bodies need, and the colours of a > program we=E2=80=99ll use a lot, if configurable, is one of the first th= ings > we=E2=80=99ll adjust. When I watch coding videos for example, I rarely = see > people sticking to even VS Code=E2=80=99s or Sublime Text=E2=80=99s defa= ult > colourschemes, which are dark and =E2=80=98trendy=E2=80=99. So it might= not be worth > the breakage. > > What I meant was having solarised as one of the options in the themes inc= luded by default as opposed to making it the default > theme. My opinion too when I suggested it. > In the long-term, I think an API and theme generator which makes it easie= r to create consistent or customize existing themes is the > real solution. Emacs already has the most flexible infrastructure for cre= ating themes, but working at the low level. setting each > face individually, is slow and difficult, requiring lots of trial and err= or to get right. A good theme generator could make this easier, > continuing Emacs' customizable and extensible forte.=20 Exactly.