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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255130 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 11.09.2020 09:01, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Disabling the menu bar and the tool bar, let alone doing that by >> default, makes very little sense to me. I'm running with both of them >> enable, although I rarely if ever use them. > > Toolbar takes up space. We also reportedly have less than high quality icons in > there, on some platforms more than others. > > The distros we're talking about usually pride themselves (among other things) on > "slick" appearance and keyboard-only interaction. > > There's a small chance they will enable the menu by default just because you > asked, but the toolbar is a lost cause. Which distro does disable menus and toolbars in a text editor by default? I don't even know of a distro that offers Emacs as a default text editor. In some distros Emacs is only the "community effort", not even packaged by distro developers. Anyway, if users choose such a distro, which is not some of mainstream distros I guess, then they are probably aware and experienced enough to sort out things for themselves and enable Emacs gui if they wish, or they should be left to explore it by themselves.