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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256053 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > While I think these discussions are very valuable, I just wanted to > > mention one aspect of the Solarized theme which I think is quite > > important. It is one of the few themes with a defined underlying > > philosophy/principal. Many other themes are just something someone has > > defined, felt it looked good and released it. Solarized has a more > > formal definition. > > I understand that. I'm proposing to do something similar except > eliminating the goal of light-dark inversion symmetry. Regardless of the colors choice; what I find useful is the logical separation of color in two sorts: base colors and accent colors. Accents are ment to be used for things that has to stand out, like a window number on modeline, or a reserved word in a programming language. Base colors are those used as bg/fg and other basic things that many packages in Emacs don't need to touch. For that reason I think Solarized approach is good for a framework choice. If 8+8 is enough or not, I don't know. Maybe Batsov's approach is good about a variation of accents colors, 8 lighter + 8 darker which can be calculated by elisp automatically, or maybe some other division is better? For the color choice, it is personal preference; I am sure different cultures can manage color choices for themselves; i.e; make the framework provide mechanism not policy. For the concrete proposal, maybe it is best to start by providing a framework of logical placeholders as well worded by Dmitry (I think) as a first step; once there is a framework let then speak about some color functions and elisp to automate calculation of choice, inversions etc.