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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255468 Archived-At: tomas@tuxteam.de writes: > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:41:45AM +0300, Juri Linkov wrote: >> >> > I think that this is the case, most programmes seem to use the >> >> > "Hamburger Menu"[0] instead of a transitional top-menu. I'm not sure >> >> > what the reason for this change was, but I have a hunch one of the >> >> > motivating reasons was the attempt to merge applications and the window >> >> > frames >> >> If the menu-bar isn't displayed then we could display the Hamburger icon >> in the tool-bar, and clicking on it will pop-up the menu with items from >> the menu-bar, so users won't need to display both menu-bar and tool-bar. >> >> > Me? I'd say the Hamburger menu is the latest fad, to be taken over >> > next year by the Sushi menu >> >> Unlike the Hamburger menu that has three sticks, >> the Sushi menu icon should have two chopsticks. > > Perhaps with something mushy and fishy in-between Please keep it vegan! > The table TEC posted (Message-ID: <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com>) > is very interesting. Do you think the popularity of vscode > and vs (both at the list's top) stems from the colours? Or > rather from the fact that there is an incredibly rich behemoth > behind both of them and that many developers are working, > directly or indirectly for it? Or from some mixture of both? Money certainly plays role when it comes to making software; paid devs = more development; but I wouldn't say VS (Studion or Code) are that popular just because MS is behind. > Microsoft has a long record of trying to suck in users into > their dependency from them. It's their business model. Yes, and now they are realeasing their "security services" to GNU/Linux too to such in some of those users who are not using their OS: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-defender-atp/microsoft-defender-atp-for-linux-is-coming-and-a-sneak-peek-into/ba-p/1192251 I guess they will need to send some "feedback" data back to MS servers for "security" analysis? :-) > The fact that Microsoft put 7 billions on the table to > acquire Github should be telling, in itself. A platform > which transforms Git's inherently decentralised model into > a centralised service (when I worked for some big company, > developers there saw Github as a synonym for git, and that > was before the acquisition). They are out for user data; information is everything, big data and how people use computers, exchange information etc is where money seems to be. Probably same reason why they penetrate GNU/Linux too. I am sure one day, operating system will go same destiny as text editors, web browsers and compiler - be free of charge. It is probably a matter of time when Windows will become free to user for "priate" and/or some business users. > I'm not arguing that Emacs shoud make it hard for people coming > from vscode, on the contrary. But the argument "it's more popular, > so it must be better" is too naive, I think. Indeed, popularity is not always a measure of quality. Best technology does not always win, unfortunately, political, financial or other reasons can unfortunately stand in the way of quality.