From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, ak@akirakyle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Rethinking the design of xwidgets
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:30:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB45264B336D48A2382D21071896000@VI1PR06MB4526.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kTdjB-0007mr-GI@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:21:57 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
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> > Of course, I completely understand and agre that Emacs should
> > prioritize free systems, but in case of resource avialable why not use
> > it?
>
> Depending on what resource it is, and how it would be used, there may
> or may not be a reason not to use it.
Well, yes of course like with everything.
> > do believe if Elisp
> > via Emacs let one do some cool visual stuff, like programming some
> > graphics, and doing drawing in the editor would make it more useful and
> > more efficient. Also I see it as a one brick in making Emacs more
> > popular. I personally think it would be super cool to see Emacs do 3D
> > with Elisp,
>
> Would this be a feature that works only if there is nonfree software
> in your system load?
No.
OpenGL implementation can be completely software based, or just
partially hardware accelerated. Such case is Mesa which is at least open
source, how much free it is I don't know, I am not so knowledgable about
interpretting licenses.
> Implementing such a feature would turn Emacs into an inducement for
> people to choose systems with nonfree software in them. We must not
> do that! So we cannot include such a feature.
People still choose such hardware, regardless of Emacs runing on them or
not; and Emacs do run on them. It is also implicitly linked to a
proprietary driver if one is present via OS and windowing system. I just
think it would be very useful to people if they could use Elisp as they
use Python today, since I think Lisp is nicer language to work with.
> In other words, we must have a policy of not enhancing nonfree software.
Yes, I agree with you on that one definitely. But we would like to
enhance Emacs, not other non-free software.
> However, the thinkpagds that we can use do have some acceleration.
> If your feature works usably on an X200 or T400 type machine,
> then it is ok.
I have hard time to imagine a piece of machinery made since 2000 without
something proprietary, but I believe you guys looked up that. I don't
know myself; I don't have access to one.
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Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-12 20:58 Rethinking the design of xwidgets Akira Kyle
2020-10-12 22:18 ` joakim
2020-10-13 16:07 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 19:06 ` joakim
2020-10-14 0:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-13 16:09 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:05 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 17:24 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 18:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:44 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:52 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 19:55 ` arthur miller
2020-10-13 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 21:00 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 0:35 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 3:35 ` arthur miller
2020-10-15 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 15:20 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 18:42 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-10-13 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:37 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 15:04 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 13:20 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-17 4:26 ` Kai Ma
2020-10-17 4:42 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-11-14 5:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 18:56 ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-15 12:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 16:25 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 12:35 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:03 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 18:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 6:30 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-10-17 13:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 19:15 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 9:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 12:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 13:43 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:47 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 12:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20 13:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21 4:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-21 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:56 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 10:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-20 13:49 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:34 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 14:41 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-14 18:07 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:10 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:36 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 18:38 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 21:20 ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-14 0:12 ` Corwin Brust
2020-10-14 19:16 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 7:32 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:35 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 19:22 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 21:29 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 19:24 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14 21:46 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 5:17 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 6:36 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 3:35 ` Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets) Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 12:01 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:18 ` tomas
2020-11-22 12:57 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 16:24 ` tomas
2020-11-22 17:18 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 17:48 ` tomas
2020-11-22 18:40 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:58 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 20:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 20:38 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 15:27 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-22 12:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 18:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-22 18:46 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 21:20 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-11-22 22:04 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:29 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 18:53 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:35 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 20:26 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 0:46 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23 3:44 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 3:01 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23 3:47 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 16:29 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-11-23 9:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 13:26 ` joakim
2020-11-24 6:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 14:59 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-23 23:47 ` Alan Third
2020-11-24 3:58 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24 8:06 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 5:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24 6:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-26 4:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-26 5:25 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26 8:27 ` tomas
2020-11-26 14:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26 19:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-26 19:34 ` arthur miller
2020-11-27 8:04 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-27 8:44 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-27 19:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 21:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 21:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 23:23 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28 0:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28 8:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:22 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 5:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-28 8:50 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29 5:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24 7:50 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 8:47 ` tomas
2020-11-24 9:04 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25 8:46 ` tomas
2020-11-25 15:26 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25 16:15 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-24 15:43 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-25 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25 8:54 ` tomas
2020-11-24 6:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-24 3:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24 6:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-25 1:36 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-25 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 20:56 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 8:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-29 0:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29 1:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-29 8:22 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-29 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 3:54 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 17:03 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 18:30 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-01 7:44 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 0:24 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03 8:07 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 20:34 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-03 20:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-01 8:01 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:36 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-01 16:48 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-01 17:33 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 19:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-02 20:37 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:02 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 0:37 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03 8:15 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:15 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 9:05 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-23 22:12 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-11-24 1:30 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-24 8:13 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 3:51 ` Akira Kyle
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