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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253679 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > On Tuesday, 11 Aug 2020 at 18:11, Robert Pluim wrote: >> I=CA=BCm starting to agree with Stefan here: maybe it=CA=BCs time to sta= rt using >> a different email provider. > The long term solution is your own domain etc. Domain itself is maybe not enought, you probably think of running own mailserver/website etc? Running own server requires resources and knowledge most people don't have, a 24/7 machine that has to be secured in a proper way. Using a webhotel will still put user data on some corporate server that will probably oblige to whatever "legal" request local goverment might impose on them. Imagine having your domain in a place like Belarus or China. Even some of "free and democratic" countries are nowdays imposing laws and "security" measurea that can hardly be seen as free and democratic= . For example here in Sweden they have recently passed a law that allows police to hack into any personal computer or phone without legal request to and authorisation by a court, on a mere suspicion of a crime. Earlier they needed to acquire a legal permission from a public prosecutor by presenting their suspicions and evidence for those. We still have some way to go untill we reach Belarus level, but as it seems by public and media's lack of concern, nothing is impossible even here.