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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250682 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: >> On May 17, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>=20 >> On 17.05.2020 21:52, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>> Why are >>> the authors of "helpful.el" not helping us mainline some of their great >>> innovation, for example? >>=20 >> I think Wilfred worked on some patch or other, to upstream some of the i= mprovements. But not the whole of it. >>=20 >> Maybe because it's a much bigger job: to port the code, to satisfy all t= he >> historically accumulated edge cases, and to spend a few weeks arguing wi= th >> whoever thinks the previous behavior was better at least in some respect= . >>=20 >> We don't really have a conceptual framework for assessing big breaking c= hanges. >>=20 > > I think it=E2=80=99s just much easier to write helpful.el from scratch th= an read all the > old code and understand it and try to patch it. I could have patched pack= age.el > to make it fetch from github repos, but instead I just wrote a quick smal= l > package to do that and moved on, which is much easier than reading and > understanding package.el and convince people that such change is necessar= y. > > Yuan This "convincing people that such change is necessary" seems to be actually an important reason :-).