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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255567 Archived-At: --_000_VI1PR06MB452612B6F35E7A9D2A084F5296220VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used ivy+counsel for about some year or so for quite some time ago, = but I have since switched to Helm and have been using it for like maybe yea= rs now. In my opinion it is less buggy, has better and more integration wi= th other packages and also feels for some reason more straightforward than = Ivy and counsel. In that case I would probably vote for Helm, but I am completely happy wi= th such big packages being out of Emacs core. I would even like to see Org = being left out or at least demoted to Elpa. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Ricardo Wurmus Datum: 2020-09-13 21:13 (GMT+01:00) Till: Andrea Corallo Kopia: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: Include ivy + counsel in Emacs core? Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions. wri= tes: > was ever considered the inclusion of ivy + counsel in the Emacs core > distribution? > > ivy+counsel it's a quality package that reached already noticeable > popularity. Does fuzzy completion with vertical output display, and its > counsel-M-X shows also the command key binding (feature I consider for > my experience a _game changer_ for softening the learning curve). > Finally it's already in ELPA. As someone who has used ivy for several months I should note that it doesn=92t work well with =93M-x rgrep=94 (it tries to complete files when asked for a pattern); see also https://github.com/abo-abo/swiper/issues/286 There are also a couple of things that might trip up new users, for example the need to hit C-j to confirm a new file name instead of selecting a similar matching file name (which is what RET gives you). While I think it=92s pretty nice in general (and I do prefer it over Helm) and an improvement over the default of no completion, I do feel it=92s a little =85 invasive or coercive in that it=92s a bit awkward to bypass it. -- Ricardo --_000_VI1PR06MB452612B6F35E7A9D2A084F5296220VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have used ivy+counsel for about some year or so for qui= te some time ago, but I have since switched to Helm and have been using it = for like maybe years now.  In my opinion it is less buggy, has better = and more integration with other packages and also feels for some reason more straightforward than Ivy and counsel.<= /div>

In that case I would probably  vote for Helm,  = but I am completely happy with such big packages being out of Emacs core. I= would even like to see Org being left out or at least demoted to Elpa.



-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Datum: 2020-09-13 21:13 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Kopia: Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
=C4mne: Re: Include ivy + counsel in Emacs core?


Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions. <emacs-devel@gnu.org&g= t; writes:

> was ever considered the inclusion of ivy + counsel in the Emacs core > distribution?
>
> ivy+counsel it's a quality package that reached already noticeable
> popularity.  Does fuzzy completion with vertical output display, = and its
> counsel-M-X shows also the command key binding (feature I consider for=
> my experience a _game changer_ for softening the learning curve).
> Finally it's already in ELPA.

As someone who has used ivy for several months I should note that it
doesn=92t work well with =93M-x rgrep=94 (it tries to complete files when asked for a pattern); see also
https://github.com= /abo-abo/swiper/issues/286

There are also a couple of things that might trip up new users, for
example the need to hit C-j to confirm a new file name instead of
selecting a similar matching file name (which is what RET gives you).

While I think it=92s pretty nice in general (and I do prefer it over Helm)<= br> and an improvement over the default of no completion, I do feel it=92s a little =85 invasive or coercive in that it=92s a bit awkward to bypass it.<= br>
--
Ricardo

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