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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243789 Archived-At: --_000_VI1P194MB0429C19FDF6C6F762DEB062596270VI1P194MB0429EURP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I know. With apps that don't have native ports I ment *nix applications that are no= t written with portability in mind. For example Firefox, Apache or similar = are already written to run native, while say binutils or some other typical= posix apps, usually need extra portability layer to compile on win32. ming= w/cygwin/msys usually provide enough of that portability layer for applicat= ions to be "relatively easily" ported over to native win32. In that context= I don't really see what gap wsl fills. I have no idea whom Microsoft targets with wsl, but it is not their first t= ime they add posix layer to Windows. Before wsl there was sfu and before th= at it was Interix, and before that was probably something else which I don'= t remember. Neither Interix nor SFU catched big time, I am not sure why wou= ld wsl? Sure, this time they parted with Ubuntu which is big name on GNU/Linux mark= eting side so maybe this time it leaves bigger ripples behind, No idea, tim= e will tell. Maybe Microsoft just realized that most enterprise application= s move to cloud and certain mobile OS:s got enough of traction to become ev= eryday alternative for masses. That maybe leaves Windows as less important = as desktop OS in future and they feel a need to target more niche clients s= uch as sys admins and backend developers? I don't know, I don't think this = dev list is right place for such speculations so sorry for the regression. I just wanted to express my concern for not leaving mative win32 port as a = secondary citizen in favor of wsl. Skickat fr=E5n min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Eli Zaretskii Datum: 2019-12-30 16:25 (GMT+01:00) Till: arthur miller Kopia: yandros@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.o= rg =C4mne: Re: On elisp running native > From: arthur miller > CC: Eli Zaretskii , EMACS development team > , Andrea Corallo > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:17:24 +0000 > > Mingw and/or Cygwin do just fine for the apps that does not have native w= in ports already FTR: MinGW produces native Windows executables. Maybe you were thinking about MSYS. --_000_VI1P194MB0429C19FDF6C6F762DEB062596270VI1P194MB0429EURP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I know.

With apps that don't have native ports I ment *nix applic= ations that are not written with portability in mind. For example Firefox, = Apache or similar are already written to run native, while say binutils or = some other typical posix apps, usually need extra portability layer to compile on win32. mingw/cygwin/msys usuall= y provide enough of that portability layer for applications to be "rel= atively easily" ported over to native win32. In that context I don't r= eally see what gap wsl fills. 

I have no idea whom Microsoft targets with wsl, but it is= not their first time they add posix layer to Windows. Before wsl there was= sfu and before that it was Interix, and before that was probably something= else which I don't remember. Neither Interix nor SFU catched big time, I am not sure why would wsl? 

Sure, this time they parted with Ubuntu which is big name= on GNU/Linux marketing side so maybe this time it leaves bigger ripples be= hind, No idea, time will tell. Maybe Microsoft just realized that most ente= rprise applications move to cloud and certain mobile OS:s got enough of traction to become everyday alternat= ive for masses. That maybe leaves Windows as less important as desktop OS i= n future and they feel a need to target more niche clients such as sys admi= ns and backend developers? I don't know, I don't think this dev list is right place for such speculations&nbs= p; so sorry for the regression.

I just wanted to express my concern for not leaving mativ= e win32 port as a secondary citizen in favor of wsl. 

Skickat fr=E5n min= Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.



-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Datum: 2019-12-30 16:25 (GMT+01:00)
Till: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Kopia: yandros@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@= sdf.org
=C4mne: Re: On elisp running native

> From: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.co= m>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, EMACS development team
>        <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,= Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:17:24 +0000
>
> Mingw and/or Cygwin do just fine for the apps that does not have nativ= e win ports already

FTR: MinGW produces native Windows executables.  Maybe you were
thinking about MSYS.
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