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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Question about completion behavior
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:14:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488FC28453A05DB1FE7EC25F30E9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220313211512.2kqyqcdpylxe2mgb@Ergus>

> >> In case of no completions it will be formatted to: "0 possible
> >> completions".
> >
> > Why?  Why wouldn't *Completions* just be
> > removed?  And "[No match]" is already echoed.
>
> In the original code there is a message to print when there are no
> completions, that's where the original question came from. Actually the
> new code is simpler.

Dunno what that means.  What "original code"?
And I see nothing in your "original question"
(the start of this thread) about any of this.

I don't care whether "the new code is simpler"
(and simpler than what - what old code?).

I'm interested in the user experience.
Coding that experience isn't the problem
(shouldn't be, anyway).

> > Sounds like things are getting more, not less,
> > complicated for users (maybe overengineering?).
>
> For the user everything is pretty much the same.

Doesn't sound like it - not regarding what I
asked about, at least.

I have nothing against keeping *Completions*
showing and updating it as a user changes the
pattern to match (and either explicitly asks
for a rematch or has elected to get automatic
rematching).

In fact, I invented such behavior for Emacs
(a couple decades ago).

But why would we not _remove_ *Completions*
when there are no matches?

We tell users in the echo area that there are
no matches.  Why also show an empty buffer,
for nonexistent completions, with a redundant
message there saying there are none?

(That's IBM's "This page intentionally left
blank."  But at least there was a reason for
that notice.)

Maybe "the new code is simpler".  It sounds
like the new user experience is less simple
- and maybe a step backward.

I understand your feature would be optional.
It sounds like it has room for improvement.

> > Why would we ever say "0 possible completions"?
> >
> > Why bother with "possible"?  We never show
> > IMpossible completions, do we?
> >
> > When there are no matches we just tell users
> > there's no match.  Always have.  Simple.

And your answer is?



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-13 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220309001013.gxyh2uasbuxiz6ww.ref@Ergus>
2022-03-09  0:10 ` Question about completion behavior Ergus
2022-03-09  0:22   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-03-09  1:46     ` Ergus
2022-03-09  3:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-03-09  3:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-09 10:11           ` Ergus
2022-03-09 11:46             ` Ergus
2022-03-09 13:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-09 13:46                 ` Po Lu
2022-03-09 17:32                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-03-09 17:41                     ` Ergus
2022-03-10  0:42                     ` Po Lu
2022-03-10 10:21                       ` Ergus
2022-03-10 11:15                         ` Po Lu
2022-03-10 14:03                           ` Ergus
2022-03-10 18:50                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-03-10 22:35                               ` Ergus
2022-03-12 18:31                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-03-13 14:58                                   ` Ergus
2022-03-12  0:17                               ` Ergus
2022-03-12 18:34                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-03-13 11:21                                   ` Ergus
2022-03-13 17:44                                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-03-13 18:50                                       ` Ergus
2022-03-13 18:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-13 19:49                                           ` Ergus
2022-03-13 20:48                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-03-13 21:15                                         ` Ergus
2022-03-13 23:14                                           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-03-13 23:38                                             ` Ergus
2022-03-14  2:23                                               ` Drew Adams
2022-03-12 20:25                             ` Drew Adams
2022-03-09 14:30                 ` Ergus
2022-03-09 16:14                   ` [PATCH] " Ergus
2022-03-09 16:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-09 13:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-09 14:22               ` Ergus

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