From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
"sbaugh@catern.com" <sbaugh@catern.com>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Turning on savehist-mode by default
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:42:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488D8A0BA91B79FA46F10E9F3B5A@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86cyw6wb27.fsf@mail.linkov.net>
> > FWIW, `savehist.el' is a general way to save variable
> > values, not just a way to save values of minibuffer
> > history variables. It's often recommended (including
> > by me) as a way to persist any variables you like.
>
> Please don't forget there is also `desktop.el'
> that is a superset of `savehist.el'
Oh, I don't forget. That has advantages and
disadvantages compared to savehist. You can
have any number of desktop files, which can
be in different directories (+). But it
(always?) saves a lot more than just vars
(-, if you just want to save vars).
> > Why isn't it written with that foremost in mind, i.e.,
> > as a general variable-persisting feature?
>
> A general variable-persisting feature already exists:
> `define-multisession-variable'.
Looks like that Emacs 29+ feature (like
desktop but in other ways) is also more
than, or different from, just saving vars.
You need to define those vars - and even
access them - in special ways - they're
not ordinary vars. And it looks like (?)
each such var is stored in its own file
(or in a DB).
I looked at it superficially, however.
It really looks like overkill for just
saving variables. The use cases we're
talking about, I think, include saving
ordinary variables, of any kind, anytime.
When I mentioned having a simple feature
for just persisting/restoring variables
I meant a simple feature - something like
what savehist does, without separating
out `savehist-additional-variables'.
___
But the existence of multiple ways of
persisting variables suggests that maybe
we should have a doc section about the
topic in the Elisp manual.
That could include simple, ad hoc, saving:
write one or more vars to a file (e.g.
`with-temp-file'); std ways to save a set
of vars (e.g. savehist), std way to define,
save, access `multisession' vars; std ways
to save vars along with other stuff (e.g.
desktop).
___
There are also bookmarks (in Bookmark+, at
least) that just save sets of vars. You
can have multiple bookmark files, anywhere,
and they can, but need not, be limited to
variable-set bookmarks. Just jump to a
bookmark to restore a set of vars.
(It's also Bookmark+ that lets you create
desktop files anywhere, including multiple
ones in the same directory. And lets you
bookmark desktops - just jump to restore.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-19 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-18 14:54 Turning on savehist-mode by default sbaugh
2023-11-18 16:33 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-18 18:19 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-18 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-18 21:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-18 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 6:56 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19 7:05 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-19 7:32 ` Yuri Khan
2023-11-19 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 9:06 ` Yuri Khan
2023-11-19 9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 15:09 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20 9:53 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-20 13:15 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-23 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-23 16:31 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 16:57 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-20 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-20 18:54 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-20 19:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 16:42 ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19 16:42 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-11-19 16:27 ` Visuwesh
2023-11-19 17:33 ` sbaugh
2023-11-19 6:59 ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 7:27 ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 8:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 14:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-19 14:38 ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 14:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-20 0:11 ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 15:17 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20 0:09 ` Po Lu
2023-11-20 3:15 ` sbaugh
2023-11-20 3:40 ` Po Lu
2023-11-20 14:32 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20 5:55 ` [OT] Not clobbering bash history brickviking
2023-11-20 17:50 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-22 3:01 ` [OT] " Richard Stallman
2023-11-22 3:32 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-11-25 2:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-26 10:20 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-12-04 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-04 13:05 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-12-08 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-16 18:56 ` Turning on savehist-mode by default Stefan Kangas
2023-11-20 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-20 3:16 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-28 11:04 ` Thanos Apollo
2023-11-28 14:11 ` Thanos Apollo
2023-11-28 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-28 21:07 ` Adam Porter
2023-11-28 21:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-29 12:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-01 1:50 ` Björn Bidar
2023-12-16 19:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-16 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-16 22:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-16 23:57 ` Po Lu
2023-12-17 5:42 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17 7:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-17 11:09 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-22 10:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-22 11:48 ` Visuwesh
2023-12-22 11:52 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-22 14:22 ` Yuri Khan
2023-12-17 12:02 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 11:19 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17 12:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-19 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-17 18:48 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-12-17 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 11:48 ` Po Lu
2023-12-17 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 13:31 ` Po Lu
2023-12-17 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 17:55 ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 19:51 ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 20:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 20:38 ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 20:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 21:47 ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 22:22 ` Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:55 ` Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 22:34 ` Drew Adams
2023-12-18 0:47 ` Po Lu
2023-12-18 3:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 10:03 ` tomas
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