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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312600 Archived-At: > We have heard from some programmers and maintainers that they > see the complexity increase as a problem. We have to believe > them, they think like that. And not everyone else has > to agree. >=20 > But I have not heard a lot what should be done about it. > Not generally, how to not have that tendency in the future. Michael suggested splitting `cl-lib.el'. I seconded that, as did some others. That's a first step to tackling and taming the beast. > And also not what to do in the particular case being > discussed, namely cl-lib, which is already in use to a huge > extent - indeed, that is exactly what is, according to them, > what has created the huge increase in complexity. >=20 > I have only heard improve the docstrings, and I think everyone > agree that is a good idea. >=20 > But what more? In general, and with respect to cl-lib in > particular? What is the plan, from the people who think it is > a problem? See above.